Closed Shout box banned.

Forum Name: Leggo
Last thing you did: Made a joke about Oblivion, I did apologies after wards.
Why do you think you got banned?: No clue, maybe the joke I made. It didn't contain profanity and I have made similar jokes in the oblivion guild thread. Don't see why making almost the same joke in shout box gets me banned from it.
https://royals.ms/forum/threads/oblivion.26476/page-17#post-473387
basically the same joke I made.
Ban message when attempting to log in: Cant see shout box.
What GM banned you (optional):


Things I would like to know:
How long is the shoutbox ban?
What did I do wrong? I would like to understand your side of the story.

 

We have been very lenient towards people trolling and pushing limits in the shoutbox for awhile. You pushed the limit too far and became too much of a troll for us to let it go without any form of punishment. We will unban you in 3 days from the shoutbox.

 

I do not really see why tho. I do agree I overstepped with this one statement(which was a obvious joke), and I did apologies to @Seb because what I said was uncalled for. Yet I did not personally insult anyone and use any kind of profanity or was in any way using racism. I was simply sharing an joke/opinion which was clear.

If you cant stand getting trolled you shouldn't be on the internet as simple as that in my opinion.

It seems to me who ever banned me just had enough of me, didn't like me and didn't want me around. In my opinion this banned was uncalled for, people use profanity against me all the time even while GM's are around. They are not getting warnings nor getting punished, yet while I'm not being racist or using any kind of profanity get a ban without even a warning.

Why is that? this makes no sense. It is literally unfair.

How can others use profanity against me even with a GM present in shout box, baffles me. Literally people curse at me using profanity they wont get a warnirng or a ban. Clearly goes to show how corrupt you guys are.

Why is it other people who trolls gets a warning or some get told to "Watch it". I just got instantly banned, I was even elaborating more about my apologizing for what I said but got banned before I was able to say it.

TL; DR It is clear to me the GM who banned me, banned me due to not liking me. I didn't really overstep, in my opinion. I make stupid jokes all the time, if you really think they are serious that's on you. If you really want to know, why don't you just ask me if it was a joke or not.
A warning should be given out, I see you give out warnings to other people yet in my case it was instantly a ban.

There is no grounds to ban me on, Sila has stated before It's allowed to share your opinion which is what I did.

Basically you are manipulating the shout box to only consist of certain types of personalities.

Peace cya guys in 2 days

 

That is your opinion, but most certainly is not ours.
We strife to keep the game as well as the forums (and thus also the shoutbox) as clean as possible, thus not showing too much leniency towards trolling and other kind of ill-intended behaviour.

If you're going to tell us you believe you were banned because a GM has had enough of you, doesn't that also imply you've done or said something that would have caused this GM to have had these thoughts?
Every action has a reaction, and thus if you've been presenting yourself as a nuisance for a few days, it's only logical that someone eventually has had enough of you.

If others have been using profane language against you and have gone unpunished, it means we've been too lenient towards those situations.
We've been far too lenient with the shoutbox in general lately, but we won't allow that to continue much longer.
And before we get an argument about this being unfair, I'd like to add that we weren't lenient with the shoutbox in the past either but as of right now we just have a harder time monitoring it.

There's a lot of grounds to have banned you on, but you present it here as if there are non.
From what I can see in the screenshots that were provided to us in the Staff chat, the conversation with Seb isn't what got you banned, but rather a conversation you had before that.
To refresh your memory, it's a conversation where someone asked you 3 or more times to stop talking to him and you refused to.
I'm not the one to have banned you, but to me that sounds like you were harassing someone which is not something we tolerate here.
Please keep in mind that everyone who accesses the forums can read what you type in the shoutbox, and thus we would respect it if you could keep the shoutbox chat appropriate for all readers.
If that is something you can not do, then perhaps the shoutbox is not the right place for you to be chatting in.

 

This person was harassing me, he/she was consistently telling me "Shut up", "You are stupid", "C*ck f*ck" and other bad words.
I never insulted this person I only called this person "triggered" because he was always telling me to "shut up" for no reason.
Even told me to "shut up" when I wasn't even talking to him on an occasion.

Proof:
In the picture I was responding to Sila.
http://i.imgur.com/39WF1aD.png
Not even talking to this person, yet he demands me to shut up. This wasn't the first time this happend.
I have other screen shots if you want to see them regarding this subject.

He was legit harassing me, not the other way around. ( I still found amusement tho in it tho).
Why isn't he banned? not that I actually care but you bring him up like I was the bad guy. There is plenty of eye witnesses that can tell you he was harassing me if anything.

I do not want to "press charges" or see this person banned at all, I'm just saying you are looking at it from the wrong angle.

Wait I just read this.
This person was harassing me for days.
I finally confronted him the day I was banned.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/osq824g.png
http://i.imgur.com/OnxnRzP.png
I'm not trying to insult this person yet he tries to insult me. How am I harassing him? You clearly got this wrong.

I was honest and didn't really try to troll him, I just wanted to know why he was mean to me all the time. I was sick of getting called bad stuff and consistently told to "shut up" even when I was talking to this person.
This was the first time I engaged him/her and started the conversation, I just wanted to know why he was treating me like this.

Can you show the screen shots GM's showed you? I'm 1000000% certain it's the other way around.

 

I also would like to add this:
1 or 2 days ago before I got banned this person was saying very mean stuff to me.
@Sila Was even in the shoutbox and I even told her this person was calling me bad words and was using profanity towards me.
@Sila completly ignored me, In her defense she was busy talking with someone else in shout box about a quest bugged it seemed like.
Thus I shrugged it off, If someone is mean to me I don't care enough to get them banned.
I still mentioned it to Sila.


How am I the bad guy in this situation I totally don't get it.
Getting called bad stuff consistently over 3 days then I confront the person about it and I get banned?

Again I do not want to get this person banned, I just think it is very unfair that I get banned for harassing when I was the victim.
I know I am a troll and a kind of a douche bag. I did deserve getting treated this way for sure.

But this Ban is very unfair.

 

The phrase "Stop talking" and "Shut up" means they want me to stop talking in general. This a very disrespectful thing to say.

"Stop talking to me" is completely different. This phrase is what would have been appropriate to the situation if I was harassing the person.

One can argue due to language barriers that this person used "Stop talking" instead of "Stop talking to me".

But here you clearly see this person is telling me to shut up. Indicates that this person jut wants me to not say anything in shout box, which rules out the language barrier excuse that I just mentioned.

"Stop talking" and "Stop talking to him" are 2 different worlds in this situation I hope you really do understand that.

I'm really starting to question this whole case. What the actual **** is going on?

@Dimitri
I have a couple of things I want to know.
I would like to take a look at the screen shots you mentioned.
Who issued the ban?
What happens if I get banned from Shout box again? (Duration wise)


Theres some others questions I have but I'll let them wait.

 

May I ask if the harassment you claim has occured for days all occured within the shoutbox?
If so I will take a look into the shoutbox logs to see if your story is true, and possible discuss your ban a second time with staff.

I believe Sila was the one to have banned you, as she was monitoring the shoutbox at the time.

I can not give you a concrete answer to this question at this time, I'm afraid.
Technically the shoutbox follows the same rules as the forums, but uses a lighter punishment ban system.
However this could all potentially change in the near future, as I believe we are working on revising the forum and shoutbox rules.

 

Yes this person called me a "c*ck f**k" go check the shout box log. I think it was at the same day this happend:

I also asked Sila if that was something you could say in shout box. (copy pasted his words into shout box).

I will repeat my self I do not want this person banned what so ever, I'm just trying to tell you how it has been over the passed days interacting with him. If you do not believe my screen shots PLEASE by all means check the shout box log.

You have still not Shown me the proof you used to ban me, I urge you to post this publicly. It was a public conversation thus I see no reason for the screen shots to be with held.

Edit: @Dimitri
Do understand the difference between saying this two phrases?
"Stop talking to me"
and
"Stop talking"
It appears you have struggle understand the huge difference of the 2 phrases.

 

I don't struggle to see the difference there no, but I am also not the one who has been part of the decision to ban you.
However for your own sake I bothered to give you a detailed reply to make it more clear to you why the decision has been made.
So then you tell me you disagree with the decision which is completely fine, and you give me counter arguments, so I offer for your sake to further look into it..
But instead of you appreciating me wanting to put in effort for your case, you keep pointing fingers at me like I've done something to you.
So my request to you is whether you can drop the hostility towards us, and perhaps I can look further into your ban and see if it's justified or not based on your provided story and whether it matches the logs or not.

 

Alright I'm very sorry.
I'm very angry at this moment.


Thank you for taking your time to look at the case and providing me with answers. I greatly appreciate that. Sorry for making it somewhat a personal attack Dimitri. I'm deeply sorry about that. I should have treated you with way more respect, sorry for letting the anger get to me.


@Sila Can you please provide the screen shots used as evidence for this ban? It was a public conversation thus your screen shots has no reason to be with held.
I would also like a detailed explanation of why I was banned, you were the one that issued the ban you should be the one answering to this thread in my opinion.

 

Actually, I was the one who issued the ban. I'm not going to waste my time going back and forth with you on this. We strive to keep this community a safe and positive one for all and when people troll, harass, or cause issues that serve as a detriment to the Royals community, it is in our interest to take action. As Dimitri said, he will look into the accusations you made about what others have said to you and if he finds evidence of what you claim, he will make a judgement and take action so that you do not feel unfairly targeted against.

Long story short, you were banned for 3 days since you weren't getting the message to cut it out. So we are making ourselves clear, cut it out and you won't have to worry about ever making another ban appeal from the shoutbox in the future. It really is that simple.

 

You don't seem to look at this situation fairly at all, what if I was innocent in this case? should I cut out being innocent?

Why are you changing the subject just give me the evidence you used to ban me with, I have a right to know in my opinion. You are talking all this big words trying to change the subject. I did not ask for your moral speech.

Stay on topic john. I shouldn't even be saying this to a GM.
Your post does nothing but repeat old information and add pointless information.
And the new information your giving me doesn't align with what Dimitri said.
Why did Dimitri say Sila issued the ban?
Why are you saying you issued the ban?
This ban thread is full of weird plot holes.

Who has the screen shots used as evidence? Why have they not been provided?
Who issued the ban?
Why do 2 different GM's tell me 2 different answers about who issued the ban?

 

I was one of the people in the shoutbox at the time - but John issued the ban as I was busy helping someone else with the third job question issue.
Between 20 different tabs trying to find the answer to the question, then Skype looking for more information about the NPC script and how that was handled, as well as talking to the person in the shoutbox itself - I was only reading that. When I scrolled back up I saw you and Kunz trolling. Kunz was ban evading, so he was banned regardless. But you were going along with it and instigating things.

We've been trying to keep the shoutbox as moderated as possible, but as you know our staff team is spread pretty thin currently. We may miss things and thus someone may be breaking the rules and go unnoticed. In that case, I advise people to PM screenshots or copy/paste the log to a GM if no one is actively watching the shoutbox.

You wanted the screenshots to what led up to your ban, here's some of them, looking through the logs. Staff have the discretion to take moderation actions as we deem appropriate, and it was considered that you had been pushing the line for too long. So you've been issued a temporary ban.

http://grabilla.com/07316-a905dff6-b49f-4ef8-8ba0-31d1dd28f907.png
http://grabilla.com/07315-592c52c9-2d20-4c6e-9c08-781a5ff527d3.png
http://grabilla.com/07315-7fb753b4-9a32-4230-aca5-9439daf32266.png
http://grabilla.com/07315-7fa6fe4c-b7de-406e-bc6f-a1ff009d7a88.png
http://grabilla.com/07316-02bfa7cc-c5c6-4af2-9865-29912220d52c.png
http://grabilla.com/07316-9b108fdc-0e0b-4115-8d90-7d0c2946369a.png

Now that I see your question that I didn't see before to answer it: Yes, cursing is allowed, but it has to be kept in moderation just as it does in game. The in game rules apply to the forum rules wherever possible. The shoutbox is the face of the community in a sense, akin to the free market. Everyone who logs in to the forums sees the shoutbox, unlike guild/buddy chat or forum PMs, so the rules are upheld as if you are talking in an open chat/local chat.

 

Also looking back at the logs, I can understand why you think you were singled out when Bobby wasnt issued a ban as well. That was an oversight on our part, and I'll apologize for that as I can see that he was instigating you back just as much.

 

So what is going to happen?
This person never said "stop talking to me" or any sort of this statement.

He demanded me to "Shut up" and "stop talking".

He insulted me on several occasions. I tried reasoning with him understanding why this person was insulting me.
Seeing how he can freely insult me with out consequences baffled me.
I had enough of the insult so I threw some low key insults back.

I called him indirectly a "SJW" and "Femenatzi" (this was clearly a joke).
I ment what I said by calling this person "Triggerd". In my defense he had called me a lot of worse things already.

He was throwing insults at me daily and as soon as I stand up for my self I get banned. How does that work?

 

Why are only my name high-lighted? it seem to me you were monitoring my every word for a couple of days trying to get me banned...

How can you miss the huge elephant in the room. Why do you even issue a ban on me without trying to understand what was happening? you had the evidence right there all along. I do not get it.

You clearly see me treating this person with respect. Asking why he is mean to me, why do I get banned? There so many things wrong with this ban. Also @Sila this person was throwing insults and me even using profanity in the shout box while you were there. yet you ignored it.

I asked if it that kind of behavior was acceptable. You didn't respond and seeing how he wasn't banned I thought that it was an acceptable behavior.


Yet when I simply stand up for my self I get banned? This whole situation just seems full of holes.

 

Because she was searching through the shoutbox logs just now.

 

Alright fair enough got me there.

 

So what is going to happen?

In my defense I tried reasoning and treating this person with respect, yet this person did not want to reason.

This was a wrongful claim by who ever made it.

Dimitri made it clear to me that I was "Harassing" someone, Why are you talking about my general trolling behavior. My general behavior had nothing to do with this case at all if I was banned for Harassment of this player.
@John You actually gave me wrong information deliberately here. At first I did not think you issued the ban due too giving me such vague response. But after gathering some information its very clear that you deliberately misinformed me. This is a serious offence for a Administrator. Manipulating the case to your own advantage. Thank you Dimitri for comming in and looking at the case with out any ill intentions.

John your actions as a Administrator seems very suspicious.

Subject is about harassment that's why I was banned. I don't see the reason why my general borderline trolling behavior is a valid argument for the case. I treat people with respect even if they like me or not I do not see how my behavior is bad. This person is insulting me and I'm treating him with respect as shown in the screen shots.

What does that have to do to me? Some random guy says something funny in shout box and I laugh at it. He gets banned for something totally different and you use this as an argument in my ban case?

Can we stop trying to focus on pointless minor subjects that has no value other than the fake value your trying to give your arguments.

I was banned for harassment it's clear you are just trying to dig up dirt on me. These arguments you give me has no value so why mention them? I have the right to laugh at what ever I want, I have the right to be a troll. I'm still treating people with respect.