Make NLC Gach Great again

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  1. Sila
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    I dont actually know, I was only assuming.
     
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    TLDR- sell all your ws/cs for mesos and stash max mesos on each of your 6 chars and storage. then wait till merchants come back and ws cs go back down in price and re-exchange mesos to ws cs to buy your GG gear.
     
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    I spent over 2 hours last night trying to come up with an answer to your question and couldnt possibly do it without writting a novel lol. So heres the short version.

    I played Maple during this version when it was on live, when the idea of perfect weapons were just dreams. Nobody ever thought it could happen. There wasnt anywheres near enough people who gached, and the supply of Whites from those who did gach was even smaller. It took years on Broa to just craft the first perfect weapon. A Red Metus of all weapons lol. If i remember correctly most of the whites were obtained thanks to a lot of RWT as there simply wasnt enough meso in the game to afford to buy them all that way. Over a year and a half went by before it was finished. And when it was, it was one of the greatest moments in my gaming history. I still remember where I was and who was there to watch that final scroll drop. It was an entire year later before the 2nd perfect weapon was finished.

    When I think back to how much of a struggle that was, and think of how readily available whites and chaos's are here on Royals, I do find it significantly easier to do it. Scrolling a perfect weapon on Royals should be the shining moment of a players time. The act of Perfecting a weapon should be held in high esteem. But on Royals its just part of the normal gearing up process for a ton of people. And that to me kinda sucks. I myself know of atleast a dozen perfect items and I'm not even a player whose in the know of every single thing that goes on inside the game. I guess at this point with how things have been for as long as they have been theres no way to ever go back and change how things are since most players expect the game to keep to how its been.

    I guess in the end this is more of a me thing. I dont mean to upset anyone
     
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    My tone of voice in writing this is respectful and curious, so I hope no one reads this in an attacking or disrespecting tone of voice by any means. Jason, your answer for how perfecting an item is "far too easy" is about an entirely different game. Where gaching cost real money, $30 USD for 35 gach tickets. Your response is about nostalgia and personal opinion, premised on a belief that Royals should be like old GMS. But they're just different games. Everyone has a perception of what is nostalgic. Yours is just as valid as everyone else's. You're not wrong by any means. But let's talk about Royals, and not refer to other games like old GMS. This concerns Royals only.

    Do you have any idea what it takes to perfect an item? I don't think you ever perfected an item. So please try to understand. On average, it takes 10 WS to pass one 10% on a slot. In old source, that's 3b. When WS were 300m each. To someone who doesn't play, like the top two admins, to someone who hasn't had the money to make or buy perfect items amongst other things, like you and many others, it's easy to say that the people who DO have such items mean the game is too easy. Yes, there are many people with perfect items. At a glance, it's easy to say that perfecting items is too easy in this game. But it takes a ton of time and effort to get all that money. The way to get meso isn't hard. What's hard is having and willing to put in the time and effort to get meso. It takes dedication. It takes MONTHS to just complete one item. Months of dedicated gameplay and effort.

    Let's take me for an example. I was farming gobies and farming Voodoos on my other bishop and running twice daily HT. Farming gobies and Voodoos averaged about 100m an hour. HT was a variable, and often, the drops were worthless. Boom or bust. If you got nothing, you had wasted an hour at the very, very minimum. Often it was a loss of two hours because of party organizing, waiting on people, and so on. I was doing all this consistently for months. And it would still take me two weeks of daily dedicated gameplay to fund the next round of 10 WS. I'm saying this to give you an idea for how much work it really takes to make meso on this game. Making those things IS a huge accomplishment. The hours for getting all the money, the saltiness when 10, 20, 30 WS fail in a row, the excitement when one passes and you get closer to the goal. To the people who have worked so hard to make them. It may not be a huge accomplishment to OTHER people because they see perfect items being made left and right. But that's not because making those items is a piece of cake. At all. That's because there are so many people willing to put in the time and effort to make them in the first place.

    Just take this into consideration. WSing a weapon from the very first slot takes on average 70 WS. That's 21b. 262.5 hours of straight leeching at skeles, NPCing drops included. If someone still thinks perfecting items is too easy on this server, I encourage them to explain their position, but to keep it to about this server and this server alone.

    Edited for reorganization and line breaks.
     
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    No worries Akira. I appreciate your response and admit I should look at the games as more seperate entities instead of trying to compare the two. I cant help but always bring up those times when I think about things on Royals. It was a huge part of my life and I sometimes feel what was best then would be best now. And thats not always the case.
     
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    I think we all love Royals because it captures that childish joy we had as kids on old GMS. I really appreciate your response Jason; it's great having opposing opinions here to discuss! If you come up with more about why the lower WS/chaos rate in the current source is a good thing, I'd love if you posted about it! I hope I didn't make you feel put down at all; I know it's easy to feel personally hurt on threads like these when people disagree. Definitely not how I intend to make you feel! So I hope clarifying the tone of voice in my head when I was writing was helpful. I hope you're doing well these days, both on and off this game! :D
     
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    No worries Akira. I get put down and talked down to for a living. Phone support for angry entitled customers in the tech field. Its a dream job lol.

    Part of being an Adult is being able to have conversations with people who have differing opinions and not immediately going on the offensive when they disagree with you. Which is sadly not something most adults these days are capable of doing...
     
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    It was only a dream because NX cost real money. If they gave out 8k every day like Royals does, you could bet there'd be perfect weapons EVERYWHERE, even way way back in the day.

    Completely moot.
     
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    Like 200 tickets and still nothing worth more than 35 mill.
     
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    These days Im also wondering how expiring merchants will limit the effect on controlling ws/cs rates. It's hard to measure but I'm sure alot of people will be refraining from buying merchants stores often due to it costing about 42m of nx per week. Less merchants = less items for sale = less incentives to sell ws/cs asap
     
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    Well, it is also very easy to multiclient here.
    Not sure whether the regular stand exists in Royals, but that one you had for 90 days but you had to leave your character standing in fm. Just keep multiclient open and it will save you a lot of NX.
     
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    The trade off will become do people want to dedicate a separate account and one of their clients to selling items or not. I suspect we will see a lot more people-in-stores, which I think is good. It's a lot easier to see messages left by buyers if there's an actual account sitting in the store, and it was and will be my preferred way to sell, as it also allows one to separate their public face here and in game from the items which they are selling.
     
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    honestly the only real use i can personally see from the 90 day store permit is that I can use it as a 2nd store to reset my main merchant to keep my fm spot.
    The 90 day permits have incredible disadvantages such as:
    - Likely will dc within 2-3 hours and have to reset the whole store again
    - wont be able to really keep any good fm spots since youll likely dc at some point
    - will have to keep your computer on 24/7 if you really want to use it like a real merchant

    So im not sure if the 90 day permit can really be considered a viable alternative to hired merchants
     
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    That's the trade off. You get more security with the expensive temp stores.
     
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    Just wanted to say a word of thanks to the staff who considered the thread and made some changes to the ws/cs rates. Hopefully it'll make a significant positive impact on the market, but nevertheless
    Thank You 0:)
     
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    I hope that they wont make a change .
    Although i got horrible luck with the gach, having less op gear around on the server makes it imo more fun.
     
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    Hi, to add on, i saved 400k nx and gached it all today at NLC.
    My result: only 2 ws and very weak ST
    I do believe it needs a buff
     
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    It already was buffed.

     
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