Owl of Minerva

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    With shops coming back soon, will there be plans to add owls back to a fm npc?

    I think they should be left as cash shop only. Although they make it easier to search through the free market, they hurt the economy. If you look at what happened in the past when they were implemented as a npc item, for commonly bought/sold items, people would owl them first and set a price that put them on the top of the owl order, no matter the price of the lowest current price of an item. This lead to severe price crashes.

    Owls also reduced the significance of having a good store location when selling high demand items due to the fact the you could just set your shop in a random location with the lowest prices and you'd essentially be guaranteed to sell those items
     
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    Owls will be coming back but I believe the plan at present is to have him available for purchase through the cash shop only as it was initially intended.
     
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    Would be cool to have 8.5k or 9k NX per vote instead of 8k since we have a lot more things that we have to spend NX for to get now. All the cosmetic items, the shops, the owl, the pet water of life(although minor), and probably other stuff makes 8k kind of small in my opinion. I do understand though you don't want to increase it too much or else Gach/ap resets become too easy.
     
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    To change such stuffs, we would have to consider the impact it has on existing players. Ultimately, it's the same reason why we reduced EXP to 3.2 when we migrated to the new source, rather than 4.
     
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    That's not what happened lmao. The rate was changed because the exp scale was reduced to 80% of what it was in v62
     
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    Yeah, no. I'm giving an analogy, perhaps a poor one but it will do.

    What I'm saying is, changing the amount received from voting is a major decision to consider. When we migrated to new source, many thought we will stick to 4x but we didn't because of the new EXP table. Then people would ask: what's the harm of sticking to 4x? Well, the harm would be it would be unfair to existing players.

    I hope this makes it clearer.
     
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    NX Sinks and meso sinks will only deteriorate an already horribly inflated economy
     
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    NX is always useful for like 99% of the people who play on the server and there has been many changes in how certain NX items are bought in the new source. If the EXP got nerfed to 3.2 so that the leveling experience would be the same as in old source, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to think about maybe modifying the amount of NX we get through voting. As I stated before, most people have to spend NX on many items when they previously did not have to. Just getting new eyes, haircut and etc costs a few days of nx. I don't know if it has been discussed before but I do think it would be something worth looking into.
     
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    It's ok to be wrong, you don't need to tell me I'm wrong and rephrase what I said.
     
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    I am very disappointed to hear that owls will be only accessed from the cash shop. I'm not quite sure why the thought process is to make us spend more NX on things that were mesos in the past, but this is only going to make WS & CS less prevalent than they already are because of the influx of things being bought with NX. It really doesn't seem like a healthy path we're going down.
     
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    This is definitely something to consider now that the fact is majority of the stuffs such as Owl and HM that were once available via NPC will now only be available via CS.

    Hopefully once this thread has garnered enough feedback, we will be able to do an internal discussion on it. But as for now, let the thread continue rolling.
     
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    Owls were added to the npc in a patch last year, and they're more of a quality of life item than a necessity. You can always browse the fm or forums or use a smega.

    Owls were part of the reason the skill book market became so volatile, where one person would drop their book price by 50-100m and everyone would follow suit in order to secure a better owl ranking.
     
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    Or you mean more people were playing, more people hit higher lvls and more people could boss, so therefore prices of books went down. Wtf you talking about.
     
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    You could say that for every item in the cash shop. Same for the game itself.
     
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    I think they offer such a convinience to the point that it is a necessity. Instead of spending an hour looking through hundreds of stores to find that one 60% shield Matk for example, I can just use an owl and save myself an incredible amount of time.

    In that sense cars are just quality of life items too since you could technically walk 3 hours to work every morning instead of driving for 20 mins, however most people consider cars to be a necessity for that exact reason
     
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    If merchants didn't expire, I would be all for Owls being only available in CS.
    But since Merchants expire, I would be more inclined to say that it's probably better that it's for mesos, though price sniping was a problem l ike OP said. I also feel like it did have its purpose and help things.
    Idk. I see both sides, hard to choose one.
     
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    That was my point :) I don't have time to browse shops for 3 hours to look for a bunch of items that I need to buy. All the quality of life items in the cash shop are a necessity. So the fact we are all spending NX for these items when in the past we did not, it really hurts the amount NX that goes to gach or ap resets. I liked to change looks on my character or try a few different hair/eye combos, but now I can't because you have to spend 4k~5k nx per freaking coupon. I feel like all my NX will be drained by Owls or I have to waste time looking for shops one by one.
     
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    Pretty much a good news for us merchants that owl will be CS only.
     
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    You're actually not wrong, ask any professor (in a respective field with regards to business) what their thoughts on Amazon are (Owls in this case), and they are almost universally bad. Amazon as a whole is sucking the life out of regular businesses (at least in the US).

    Having people actual search the FM is a good thing, it means impulse buys, it means people leaving offers, it means people seeing whats in the FM, what people are selling for stuff, it makes you more aware. Yeah it takes time, but the time you spend playing Maple in the first place is worthless so, you can't really waste it, can you :p
     
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