HP washing and leeching are the most unfun mechanics I've encountered in any game.

Just letting out some frustrations. It just really bugs me original GMS featured and perpetuated this terrible "feature" for so long. Basically making it a requirement to purchase hundreds of dollars of AP resets to have any prospect of bossing before 190 for most ranged classes. And even completely restricting most classes from bosses higher than HT due to obscene HP requirements. In addition to billions in mesos in INT equips. I even know several people who had to quit their old high level characters because their HP was too low and it was impossible to raise it higher.

Not slighting MapleRoyals as we're a nostalgic server so including the mechanic is the only option. But it's just so frustrating to me that to make any kind of viable ranged character, you have to put in 1-2 months of labor of making a bishop or priest/mage and sell dozens of hours of leech. No other game I've played basically forces you to play one class to make a viable version of any other class. The killer with HP washing is that if you dont plan for it in the beginning, you're screwed later since there is no way to fix it.

Leeching is also just another symptom of a game with broken mechanics. It really shouldn't be possible that sitting on a rope doing nothing is better EXP than actively training your character yourself. It also perpetuates HP washing even more since people can just dump all their AP into INT since you literally never have to leave a rope in this game.

I dont expect any of this to be changed since these are basically core tenants of maplestory. However, playing the game and running into these frustrations again just made me realize just how much I disliked them back when I played the game religiously. And really, without the friends I had from the old game, these intrinsic flaws of maplestory really begin to shine.

 

god damn you are so right.
there is no fun from creating bishop, getting him to high level only for fund another char and buy for him alot of int items and leech him.
I love to enjoy the class from the 1st job to the 4th one, and not being leeched to 135 without fun....
I wish this method of washing will change .

 

Hard work and dedication! Only the strong survive!

 

It's not really hard work and dedication is it? It's whoever has the most time to sit and hold down genesis for the longest.

Or whoever has the most mesos to pay to be leeched on a rope for the longest.

 

I guess my biggest issue and the most unforgivable flaw for me about this game, is that it is slower and detrimental to train a character yourself. Versus dumping 200 points into INT and having it sit on a rope like a potato for 100+ levels.

 

I have already done the washing but i concur this honestly takes away from the nostalgia for me. Nothing like playing a class you don't want in order to play one you actually wanted from the start. As far as being hardcore and dedicated , I suppose you could think of it like that but a lot of us that are old school didn't have to worry about all this starting out. Not playing a BM but my understanding is between that and NL your pretty much worthless if you want to HT without it. But regardless everyone has a play style, if a server that actually stays around instead of "fly by night" with no hp wash i would be on it so fast you have no idea.

 

The same pretty much goes for grinding a character until 4th job yourself. All you do is press a few buttons for a long time, which is what maplestory boils down to anyway.

 

Pretty sure the most unfun game mechanics in any game that I've played was in superman 64 when simply playing the game would cause it to crash.

But to each their own. These never really bothered me, cause I didn't utilize them.

 

That might have been the best part of Superman 64 lol

 

You do realize that GMS had washing, it was just expensive and cost real money, and here, you have the potential to actually boss at earlier levels on characters you couldn't on GMS because of it?

 

I do realize this and i said everyone has a play style but i also said it ruined the nostalgia for "me" i don't expect the world to revolve around my desires. Oh by the way when i started there was no zakum or pirates so nostalgia is a tad different for me i also was on the same server as tiger before he came out with hp washing or whatever so it wasn't a known practice at that time.

 

The fact that leeching is more accessible and faster than training does bother me as well and isn't what Maple is about, but you can't really change that.

 

You're not the only one buddy. I was around in the Beta.

Still not sure what your point was? No one is making you wash, it just allows you to boss on any character without being 30+ levels over the entrance requirement because of low HP.

Sounds like you want a server without washing, but sorry to say, just because no one did it (due to cost), or no one had come up with it yet (new game), doesn't mean it wasn't possible. Nostalgic doesn't mean we forget what we've learned, it means we experience things we miss, and washing isn't mandatory if it's something you don't like/aren't nostalgic about. Same with leeching. There's an entire guild that revolves around no leeching (and pretty much to the same extent, washing. They also don't party, or trade with people. Guild bossing is done though for books and rehelming if you manage to solo zakum), and that's Ironman. I suggest you give it a look up.

@Dylanducki is one of the Jrs. He'd be glad to help you out if you're curious

 

Are you trolling me or being sincere? Im not sure how you came to all this in your response other than too argue with me. Being around in beta is irrelevant to my point i was talking of my idea of nostalgia in order to explain my first response too you . AS i said before i do not expect anything to change for me and as far as im concerned this is the best server i have played and will continue too call home unless something fits my fancy better. Like i said before if you want to play HT with either a BM or NL it is my understanding you need to wash and it impossible otherwise.... and before anyone jumps on this statement (i don't play a BM or NL it is what i understand from reading the forums).

As far as "Nostalgic doesn't mean we forget what we've learned, it means we experience things we miss, and washing isn't mandatory if it's something you don't like/aren't nostalgic about." When a server pushes nostalgia and a mechanic like hp washing is dominating the game it will effect the server as a whole and your experiences as well... now does this bother me? no but i voiced my opinion on it. Im not a fan of hp washing and so what? im not asking for it to be removed im stating my issues.

 

I wasn't trying to be antagonistic, you're the one who brought up how when you started there was no pirates/zakum. My point was, hey, me too. lol

Yes, nostalgic means different things for different people but I wouldn't go as far as "Washing is dominating the server". It's just, well, possible. It would have been JUST as popular on GMS/EMS etc, if it didn't cost real money. If you don't want it removed, then.. you're voicing your opinion but I guess I'm still lost what your point is. Your original post was about how you need to level a mage or bishop to do anything (or just buy leech because it's faster/more efficient than leveling). I dunno, I'm a walking example of someone who washed/is washing and I don't have have a mage to leech myself with, and as for it being faster than leveling on your own.. that doesn't mean it's "bad". It allows people to spend mesos and get places faster. No one makes you leech. Some people, time is money, and their time is better spent getting leeched so they can get to bossing faster. It's a complicated issue, one that again, was a part of GMS/EMS as well (my friend sold 30-70 SkeleMistPG leech for 200m and this was ages ago, like before 2007/8).

I'm not being intentionally dense, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly you want done, or are you literally just saying "I don't like X and Y and I feel it ruining the server"?

 

My post was in relation to understanding how the OP felt and how i feel about it as well. Honestly reading each post you make does bring me to the thought that you are trying to pontificate in a fashion but if i am wrong perhaps it is my fault for not being as plain as possible.
I had no desires and i said that in two post earlier but you seem to disregard these statements, I said "the world does not revolve around my desires! sometimes people just like to say "hey buddy i agree it sucks and add a little to the conversation" You for some reason keep throwing words in my post about me wanting things to change? I want nothing done! i said it effects my experiences and it does but i deal with it!
I also said that this is my home for now and it has been for 3+ years nothing is perfect and i don't expect royals to be but i have the right to voice my disdain for things i do not like. As far as this server goes the staff have been sensible and as ahole in my experience the most reliable so lets not say im bashing Royals either.

 

I can empathize with this statement. Most people are here in this server for nostalgic reasons and a huge part of the fondness of the old Maplestory was the community people made with others. I'm sure we can remember all the times we complained about Nexon and their management of this game, but we still had a great time because of the relationships we built with other players. We all want those old days back. However, the reality is, majority of previous friends we made back in the old days of Maplestory aren't going to return. I have made some great online friends that I still keep in contact from GMS even to this day; we talk about the old times every now and then but none of them are interested in playing Maplestory again.

When I started playing on this server, I initially had no plans to stay. The plan was to play for about a week to get my fill of old school Maplestory nostalgia and leave. When I first joined Royals I was constantly comparing my experience on Royals with my experience in GMS. I was so stuck in my lens of nostalgia it initially prevented me from enjoying Royals. However, I built new relationships and made new memories with some great people in the first month of my stay here. That experience alone convinced me to keep playing. When I left the server for a little over 2 years and returned only to find out most of my old friends I made in Royals has moved on. The Royals I knew before has moved on and was a different server than I had initially experienced. Again, I compared my current experience in Royals with the one I had when I initially joined. I was close to just calling it quits for real, but hey, I made some awesome new relationships and memories once again with other players in this server that has kept me logging in to this day.

Personally, I think Maplestory's mechanics are pretty dull. Even when I look back on those old days, I can honestly say I didn't enjoy the game play as much during that time also. However, I really look back on the old days fondly because of the buddies and the guild mates I shared this experience with. It's the community that brought me Royals, and its this same sense of community that allowed me to stay after all these years after making new friendships.

What I'm trying to say is., the nostalgia has brought you here like most of us, but it is up to you what you want from this server. The mechanics are here to stay and we can't change that. What's in the past is in the past, we can't relive those old days again. However we do have the power and ability to forge new friendships which can make our experience in this server just as special as the one we made in the old days of Maplestory. Royals is not GMS/EMS/MSEA, etc. but the camaraderie is still there if you're willing to make the effort to forge them. If you do continue to play Royals despite realizing all these flaws, I hope your experience will be just as positive as mine where you can look back on the days in Royals as fondly as the good ol' days in Old School Maplestory.

 

I don't think it's unreasonable that if a group of people are unhappy with something (anything, in this case washing), the healthy response is to try and change it. That's how life works. My mistake was assuming you wanted something changed, but in my defense you didn't make that explicitly clear and it sounds like you flip flop on some subtle points. I was merely trying to get the bottom of what you were getting at, nothing more, nothing less.

But hey, if that's pontificating, someone give me a cup of tea and a fancy hat so I at least look the part.

 

I agree 1000000% percent.

But I think too many people have invested too much time into those things for them to do anything about it at this point.

Hypothetically, you could get rid of hp washing semi-easily I think, but so many people (mainly people who have been here a while and have more influence around here) have sunk so many mesos and time into it they'd throw a fit.

Getting rid of leech would require overhauling the way party exp works, which I think would be a bit more difficult and tricky. Or just base the exp system off another MMO that doesn't have a leeching problem lol. I'd be all for that. I thought up a system a while ago that i think would work, maybe i'll post it. not that anything will actually change though

There's always gonna be two camps on issues; the conservative "well its always been this way so thats how it should be! change is bad!" and the progressive "there is a problem with how things are, lets try to fix it! change is good!".

Around here, the idea is a nostalgic server, so by nature its sort of conservative. And any change is construed as the same slippery slope that lead to where real maplestory is today. But I believe there are many things wrong with v83 maplestory and they could be fixed if people were just a little more open minded.

 

Look. The answer to all your problems is: more PQs and higher exp from them. F3