Faming/defaming

So due to some recent events I wonder;
If you train several chars to a certain level to be able to fame/defame. You are allowed to fame a certain person with all chars, correct?
Why are we not allowed to use said chars to defame? It's the same feature.
You train the chars. The fame is for you to use. (It's part of the game)
I think it's unfair for an ingame, legit feature to be able to get you banned. This is the only feature that actually is able to get you banned.

Also, the ToS don't state this being against the rules (unless I've missed it, if I did, I apologize)

Also I wonder, how is this harassment? You are not trash talking or hindering anyone in their gameplay. Nor are you exploiting anything.

Personally I feel if such a thing can get you banned, this should be disabled. As apperently this does lead to issues.

TLR, defaming is part of the faming feature and should not be banable or should be disabled.

If a GM would be able to clarify this for once and for all, it'd be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

Added: If a fame scammer gets his fame reduced, a defamer shouldn't be banned but should be punished in a simular way.

 

I agree, I think that giving fame/defaming is completely ok. As long as the characters are not mules specifically made for that reason. Also in most of the cases I have seen, when mass defaming occurred, there was usually another form of harassment included as well like name calling, racial slurs and swearing (sometimes quite heavily).

If all you did was go and defame and walk away then I don't think it's worthy of a ban.

 

Agreed, I think gathering people and buying defames to defame a certain person should be restricted. If it's your own characters, they should be allowed to use the full capacity of a character's feature.

 

But defaming is allowed here. Mass defaming isn't allowed. It's one thing to joke around or be a dick and defame once, but when you do it with several characters that just makes it a bigger case then it should. Hate that specific person? Okay. Defame them. But don't grab eight fucking characters. Most of these people didn't ask for the defame. There is also the fact that fame allows you to wear specific armor. So yeah, it affects gameplay. Just not too much. Barely if anything.

Sorry if I didn't make any sense, I went on without food for 8 hours on a bulk and my brain is a bit dumb.

 

Completely agreed with this, thank you for your input.

 

But in the case of Illuminates ban, that's not what happened. Going through 7 different characters to defame one person is different to simply 'defaming and walking away'.

Just because the system enables an action doesn't mean that you should be allowed to use it how you wish, the chat function allows people to swear and input harassment and yet there is still restrictions in place.

 

Except there was no verbal abuse. So he did defame and walk away. Just several times.

 

This thread..

 

Is there a reason why all the same people who are agreeing and not citing counter arguments, which would probably make it more balanced and credible, are all from the same guild?

If this ban happened to a random player, would you be defending as passionately as you are doing now? I am curious and a bit concerned, since objectivity is at stake.

 

I did not make thiis thread to defend anyone. But to seek clarification so something like this will not happen again. As the feelings are pretty mixed on this, as you can see.
I'm sharing my personal feelings and as are others. All inputs are welcome but not everyone agrees with eachother. Which is fine.

 

If mass defaming is considered as harassment, how come kudos isnt banned for mass fame scamming? Since one defame isnt a problem, and one fame scam isnt a problem either, then why is mass defaming is such a problem and mass fame scamming isnt? Ban kudos plz.

 

Cant we all just learn to love one another?

 

Fair point, thank you!
If several fame scams are not ban worthy, defaming shouldn't be either.

 

I feel like we should be allowed to use our fame as we wish. If i want to fame someone 7 times, i should be allowed to defame someone 7 times. I didnt see anything in the ToC about this,maybe i missed it though im not too sure. Yes mass defaming isent nice, id be pretty pissed if it was me and id be sure to go on all my mules and do the same to you, expecially if one of my equips needed that fame. But i feel like it shouldent be bannable.

Honestly i even feel if you pissed me off and were rude to me and i spoke about it in my friend chat and told everyone about how much of a dick you were, my friends going to defame you isent doing anything wrong. Because they are chosing to use there one fame to defame you.

Maybe for the future the staff could update the rules about this in the ToC to be more clear so this dosent happen again? I know its silly to have to do but it seems to need to be done.

Edit: Ps: im not in queens or the other guild! lol

 

I'm glad that you're seeking clarification, but it's also good to present opposing arguments so as to show that you've considered this issue holistically, independently and wholesomely. You can even rebut some of the arguments to strengthen your own!

 

Welcome to Debate 101.

 

It's just fame... You don't have to cry to your mom about it.

 

I think you guys forgot the definition of harassment. This is a form of cyber bullying. If someone has a dark top with 25 fame, he gets defamed 12 times, he'll be forced to buy fame/do quests to receive this fame. Is it so hard to send a message just by defaming once? Must you defame one another multiple times?

This:

Please understand that defaming should be used correctly. Doing it more than one time is completely unnecessary.

It's a form of harassment. Multiple defames are considered harassment. That IS in the ToS. And no the ToS isn't a dictionary that explains what harassment is. Perhaps you should look that up.