Since the drama happened https://royals.ms/forum/threads/115-att-nisrock-5-slot.106477/ I would like to suggest all offers from bidders should be proved.In real life,seller and bidders are together in auction,everyone is able to offer in public and easy to accept the newest information,so such as fake offer drama won't be happened.But as we bid either via in game or forum,private offer is unavoidable.It should be sellers' responsibility to make every offer public,either smega in game with tagging bidder,or take screenshot from private message(whisper/inbox) and post it on forum.The seller from the link I posted made a big mistake lol.It is complicated though,making auction fair is more important,isn't it?Just my personal idea,not sure if it is possible to be worked?How does everyone think?
This sounds... unfeasible. As shitty as sellers who set up fake bids are, there's no reasonable way for Staff to implement a system that could somehow mandate every seller to publicly announce each offer they receive. I just can't see this taking a priority of Staff time. The best solution currently in place for these type of scenarios is to utilize the community blacklist. Sure a person can gain an extra 100m mesos or so by shill bidding, but the consequences of losing out on many potential bidders (especially elite players) is sure to have a greater impact. And although scamming isn't technically a bannable offence under the T&C, maybe that's also something to be discussed--especially in scenarios where enough definitive proof can be gathered to make a case for fraud. But if I'm going to be completely honest here, this just sounds like a personal problem that's being aired out as dirty laundry under the guise of feedback.
The market subforums are not the same as an auction system with binding contracts, it's simply a place where players can discuss buying/selling/trading/giving of items. For the most part it works well as an external marketplace outside of the game, but of course there are times when there will be sellers or buyers that cause transactions to not be plain sailing. Whether that be by placing shill offers or revoking sales/offers inconveniently then that is at their own detriment. I also don't believe that forcing players to state their offers publicly is fair as there are times when buyers wish to stay anonymous. Sellers can state in their thread if they don't want to allow offers via PM's or other means if they want to. I don't think any extra rules for providing proof need to be implemented just because of the occasional problematic buyer or seller.
I posted in General Discussion and was removed to Feedback lol.I didn't look forward to seeing any action be taken by gms since it can be a petty thing tbh.All depend on how honest seller is.
That's old issue. There will always be shitty players who throws fake bids trying to bring higher offers on something.
Often times as a buyer, I would take the extra time to ask the seller who the current offer belongs to. If I believe it is a dubious bid, I would just end it there and not reply any further. This assumes that the current offer is of a reasonable price range for the respective item. However, there are cases where some 'current offers' are obviously fake, be it in-game or forum (I can already suspect a few). It could be that they use the term c/o without knowing its meaning at all or intentionally use it as bait to unsuspecting buyers. Since this is a free market, responsibilities have to be practiced by both the buyer and seller. I strongly urge buyers to educate themselves and equip the necessary knowledge to price checking independently. Furthermore, the forum is open to all, unlike in-game whispers when bidding an item. You could openly request the seller to reveal the current offerer of the items and if the seller reveals it (although it could be their friend) you can trust that that seller is giving you the most reliable information. Otherwise, the decision not to bid is all yours. Yes you can openly ask but do not put down other players' sales IF you cannot confirm it. In the thread that the OP showed, I became furious all because the fake bid was way way beyond what I last bidded. To put simply, the seller made another interested buyer artificially and unknowingly bid higher. If this is what some people do on forums, we are only going to have prices all over the place and price checking made slightly more difficult. Again I think it is worthy to stress that buyers should know what they're getting in to.
What happened to me once was that I was bidding on something an ammount close to the a/w price, and there was no further offers for something around a week or so And suddently, when it should be the last day for someone to come with offers or it would be mine, the guy came up with a "in game c/o" slightly above mine, and just a step far from a/w, maybe with hope for making me a/w it. I gave up and bought from someone else for less than what I was offering him.
Players get a reputation for this sort of thing pretty quickly, especially bigger name sellers who do things that may be perceived as upsetting to the other parties involved on a regular basis. It generally doesn't work out well for those people, since people are less willing to deal with them whenever possible. If you want my opinion, do the same - if you see a name you've heard bad things about, just avoid bothering with them. Whatever they're selling will probably come up again another time. Call it an unofficial mental blacklist (or make a community one if you're so inclined to).
I think on the sellers perspective and credibility, if an in game or private offer were to come. A screen shot and forum callout has to be publically posted as proof. And it's in the sellers interest to be as transparent as possible as you can easily get out because the deal sounds shady. What we can do is create a Sellers' guideline and best practice and Buyers guideline and best practice. Because as of right now people just generally follow what others do and it's free for all, there's not even a basic explanation of what is a/w c/o etc for market newcomers. The guidelines can help to streamline the process and make it easier for all parties involved. There are many points and information missing from buying/selling threads and it's really free for all sometimes... I understand that it's a peer to peer base and at the end of the day it's just a game but having a set based rules can help, see ebay for a broad example. What we have right now is really like craigslist and kijiji...
I think its shitty of people who submit fake bids, however I as a buyer don't need to buy any item nor does any seller have to sell any item we chose ourselves if and how much we want to buy or sell for. If a seller is submitting fake offers or not does it really matter? either you offer to pay more or you don't simple as that. edit: in other words i don't see whats the issue here.
Hampa nailed it. You dont like the price? move on...that simple. Make things complicated for nothing lol
Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. I feel like this should always be the case. Offer too good? Probably is. Something feels off? Probably is. Pretty sure it's been said, but no one can MAKE you buy or sell anything for anything that can't be agreed upon in the trade window. If the seller says there was a higher bid, you can back out and verify, if you can't, you aren't obligated to buy.
People do this with auction sites also, if you sell a car or something of similar worth (talking a few thousand $ here), they will have friends bid on the item just to make it appear like there's a bid, and also to bump up the price. There's nothing new, and no matter the restrictions people will find a way around it.
