Removal of FM Button - 8 months later

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Do you approve of the decision to remove the FM button?

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    16.5%
  2. No

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    83.5%
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  1. Matt
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    The suggestion I made about having a different map solely for socialising wouldn't work because buff mules can still buff from the training map then warp to the social map until needed again, so this wouldn't work either really and is not actually a viable compromise. I'm yet to see any suggestions that nullify all the unintended usages.

    I'm not sure what the second thread is, but in the case of v0.86 skill tables, it was actually considered in the end and some were implemented.

    There have been a vast amount of threads that have influenced changes in the game, it's quite unfair to state that community input is being ignored. We have and will continue to implement things that we feel do fit in the server.
     
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    So the mule would have to walk to the map and still be in the map to buff? But since there's a safe spot, like in 99% of the maps people would use mules, it's not viable? Even in maps where there isn't a safe spot, such as BF or anego, you can still keep the mule in the map w/o having to worry about them dying as long as you can pin them, which should be the case if you're doing these bosses. Where else would you not just be able to afk on the mule in the map? Pianus? You can go to the map before it and afk in there. Why would anyone waste time going in and out of the safe map on a mule when they can just afk in the map w/o worrying about anything anyways?
    It was whether spamming should be allowed in the FM or not. Most people were against it and no action was taken.
    Almost none of those threads received as much support as this one. But it is completely fair to say community input is being ignored. I was specifically referencing this thread alone, nothing else, and in this thread community input has been ignored.
    Emphasis added. I hope we includes the community at large. Because THEY are a large part, probably the largest part, of what makes the server what it is.
     
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    This is exactly the same as CCing to buff, which I already do regularly when I'm grinding. I think most people have a "something is better than nothing" mindset with regards to this so I'd like it if the social room was kept on the table.
     
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    You don't get to say that after throwing away the opinions of 84% of the players as per this thread's poll. If you want us to believe you're not ignoring us, figure out something to do to fix this problem. It's a problem, and by doing nothing, you are ignoring it.

    Fixed that part for you.
     
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    On second though I suppose the Cash Shop is also available for storing buff mules, so yes, I am not against a Social map with no trading, dropping or buffing allowed still. Although I am unsure if it really would actually be a popular place to hang out. There just hasn't been too much response about this since I mentioned it really.
     
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    Actually any one can just QUIT who can't fit into the new source, or anyone who dislike one or more of the following features/"things" that HAVE BEEN taken away:
    • warp-to-FM
    • permanent hired merchant
    • old source goby spawn rate
    • old source ITCG crafting system (new source price of FS or SCG is about 200% of old source price)
    • old source Chaos/White scroll price (150% of old source price)
    • summons being able to maintain mapownership
    • ~bossHP
    • ~buyback (although we know months ago it will be implemented again soonTM)
    • Horntail (although we always know it will be implemented again soonTM)
    • TP-rock (although we always know it will be implemented again soonTM)
    OR what WILL BE taken away:
    • skippable ship rides
    This is a private server. The owner can do whatever he deems right. Not a big deal.


    This is not a hate reply and I do think what I write here. I am one of those who will be quitting after throwing all my belongings into some equips, which might be the last thing I enjoy in this server.
     
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    Everyone knows they can quit the server if they want to, but neither the posters in this thread nor the owners of the server want the players to quit. We're trying to reach a compromise so that the server is more enjoyable to play. Frankly, I don't see what this adds to the discussion.
     
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    This adds to the thread to show how heartbroken the players are.

    I believe some ppl were like, "WTF s0 and so features are removed", to "damn it this is really torturing me", to "I FKN WANT IT BACK", to "well whatever this game is piece of crap. I don't give a shit". Nevertheless, we are thinking sometimes, "what if ..."
     
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    Disable all skills for 5 minutes whenever someone leaves the social room. Problem solved.
     
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    Royals was/is my first MapleStory private server and I think many can agree with me that things like the FM button and the ability to skip boat rides were things that made us stay in the game.

    Personally, I wanted to relive part of my childhood but those additions were great things and I literally thought they were genius ideas.

    “Nostalgia” is subjective and it is proven by the fact that even tho @Matt wants the game “to be as close as he remembers it”, there are things that are very different from GMS. The most noticeable is the 3.2x EXP. And you might say “wow pls the game would be too slow without that”. Exactly, but it is changed because of the fact that not everything in MapleStory was perfect. There were things to improve and to make the game less tedious. So why is it exactly that it is “okay” to change the EXP but not stuff like bringing back the FM button? No reason, it is ARBITRARY based on the decision of one person.

    Someone said “It’s his server and he can do what he wants”. Yes, it’s his server, but surprisingly we wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the people. He may have built the best server of all time, but no one would care if no one played it. A game’s success is owed to the people who play it. If you have no playerbase then what’s the point?

    It’s time to listen to the players.
     
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    I want the FM button back like everybody else does, but I don't agree that many will quit over it. There's often 1000+ people on at any given time. That isn't a dying server.

    What, so that you can buy even more gacha tickets? It was silly that hired merchants were ever basically free...

    Ugghhhh this is already entry level botting. If you want to hold your map, actually play the game. Can't believe people are complaining about this.
     
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    >> Leaves social room
    >> Forgot magic guard
    >> Dies because can't rebuff
    I dno man, sounds like it has some flaws !

    I actually happen to have visited Henesys a few times because of the halloween event, and after having checked all 20 channels on multiple occassions, I can't really say that the difference in population is relevant enough to mention. On average I find 3-5 players online in Henesys, Henesys Market and Henesys Park combined, and out of those 3-5 players, 4-5 are usually afk. It's better than nothing I guess, but I wouldn't say that Henesys became popular after the removal of the fm button. (Occassionally you see the Mystic guild hang out in Henesys I guess, but that's also about the only people I've found there in the last 3-4 days.)

    But anyway, on the topic of the fm button being gone:
    At the time the fm button was removed, I knew very well why it was removed and I respected Matt's decision. However at the same time I also told a few people that with this change people would start seeing me around a lot less often than before, with the reason being that I rarely ever go to town and even less often go to the fm when I'm in town unless I really need something. If I'm not bossing or doing some holliday event objective, all I ever do is grind in ToT and my characters stay there for hours, days or even weeks. The only time I would leave the maps, is to send a mule to town to vendor my items and then come back through a door. What a fm button or a social room button would do for me personally, is that it would likely cause me to socialize a bit more often again when I'm not grinding, instead of me just afking in my grind map or just logging off until a later time. If we won't add such a function, I would accept it for what it is, but I would also know that I would miss out on a lot of social interaction with the rest of the server. It's not a make or break for me, but I know that my ingame social life would benefit a lot from it.
     
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    Nibba wat?

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    I took these just now. I hang around Henesys a lot, and this is a bad day compared to how many people there usually are.
    Perhaps time-zone difference?
     
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    When you're warped back into a map it's usually to a safe/afk spot no? Regardless, it would solve the problem of buff mules which seems to be Matt's biggest gripe and could be an acceptable compromise.
     
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    Whether it's 292 votes or 99.9% of what players want it really shouldn't matter. The actual ideas and reasoning behind the posts do and the server owners strive for his vision is what made royals stand out from the other private servers I would think. Fm button makes things faster and the owner doesn't want things sped up in that scenario and why should it? Royals used to be 10x exp and now it's 3.2x exp why is that? Maybe too much speed and convenience isn't good for a server. It would actually be a shame if he learned from his mistakes and deviated from his end goals just to satisfy a crowd of people based on votes.

    With the fm button I was able to lvl50 hb buff, lvl80 hs buff and lvl50 haste myself in the temple of time. With the button gone I now have to level up all my mules to 130 in order to receive buffs there or get help from other players. My end game plans will now take much more time to reach, but I don't mind, because the reasons for the fm button removal seem reasonable.

    Maplestory is based on being tedious. If you want to do most of the content and do it quick you need to get levels and money. The reward is still there it's just a little further ahead. As far as royals just being a game, ya it's just a game, but the people behind the scenes care about it a lot and want to keep it going for years I hope.

    As far as not listening to players and end game content, we got ninja castle after reasonable feed back didn't We? The server was neutered trying to upgrade to a new source, but they finally solved many of the problems.
     
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