Got banned for using the 'n' word being a 'n' myself...

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  1. Tamilische Königsrasse
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    Last thing you did: chilling in fm and logging off
    Why do you think you got banned?: using 'profane' language (more precisely using the 'n' word)
    Ban message when attempting to log in: 'banned for 3 days using profane language'
    What GM banned you (optional): probably Katsuruka (let me refer to this thread http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=11534)


    So let me be honest here. I have myself a dark teint and I've been grown up accepting the tolerance of others and handling with it - be it positive or negative. Now I am 18 years old, so you could say I'm almost an adult - almost. I do realize that some people don't like being referred to as a -insert word here- though I cannot understand how people who jump in and out of the WHOLE context report someone for using one specific word. I've been called as such and me and my friends refer to me as such because it's true.

    Now I'm talking about the definition and meaning of the word nowadays and in the current society (at least in my country). And please, check the screenshot again. You can neither see how I look nor can you see who I talked to nor can you see who my chat was replied too. There is a change of language and so the origin meaning of the word changed (it was used in a disparagingly context to either insult - higher - pigmented races or more commonly going further back in history for slaves in the atlantic slave trade). Nowadays it is commonly used (at least in my country and a few other regions) to refer to your pal (if you are 'dark' skinned) if you are with them or to describe dark people in a more insulting manner.


    To be honest, I have already explained the particular situation. No one could see who I am, who was there, who was the referred person or if it was even meant to be negative. I mean at least show us the whole conversation if you are trying to report me. Two lines are reported and I am banned? Like seriously? I am not going ahead and report people who call me 'bro'. Bro is an abbreviation of brother and means to be biologically linked. I'd rather have someone call me the 'n' word (which some people are afraid of) than being called a 'brother' of someone I don't even know in real life because in truth more dark skinned people are offended by 'bro' than you might think. In the current society if used at correct times it is never meant to insult someone but rather outline their important character traits (I would name some, though I am afraid someone would be 'offended')

    Going further, the person never talked to me nor had the courage to contact me and tell me to stop it as the one is being offended (even if it was just one line of me using that word'. If someone who was offended told me that there would be no reason for me to continue using that word in that one particular person's presence.



    Now I want to explain the REAL situation at hand. I was buying NX for iirc 1:3 and bought me some equips I feel totally acquainted with (if you really want to know the equips it were 'Meshcap', 'Gold Chainz' and 'Ripped Jeans') which let me look like I would cloth in real life (as far as possible). Then when I came out of the CS and I hit up my 'friend' I told him now I look finally like I want to - like a -<insert the 'offending' word here>.

    So in which sense did it offend ANYONE who was there at the particular situation. If there are people passing by at the current situation and feel offended they could say that (even though that situation was pretty obvious and so to be offended was totally unusual).


    I know this is a rather long ban appeal for such 'soft' punishment but on the same hand I think the reporter overreacted way too much. Do you want to see a flood of 'dark' skinned people reporting white people saying 'bro' to them? That happens more frequently than people using the 'n' word and it's more offending to the referred people than people think.


    TL:DR: I've started maple with the release of eMS and joined MR to have a nostalgic feeling and meeting new people at the same time which I did so far. Being banned for such a reason is just beyond ridiculous in my and many others' opinion. Time changes - so do the definition and meaning of words.

    I hereby appeal for my ban to be lifted and apologize in advance if in any means even my appeal did offend someone.
     
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    I'll be honest, I personally didn't feel right giving out two equal length bans to you and BaIIs (who was going all out to offend people with racist spam).

    However, as the rules stand at the moment, the penalty is a 3-day ban for the use of the N-word in all-chat or smegas, regardless of context.
     
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    I appreciate your honesty and am aware of you being bound the rules. I just hoped for my ban to be shortened at least by one day as sometimes I think particular judgement would be more expedient and appropriate.

    I'll apologize beforehand for going off-topic in my ban appeal, though I feel it to be at right place with the current circumstances.

    After the explanation you gave me I looked up the rules again just to go sure and have to accept my punishment. However I think there are a few flaws in the particular rules at given circumstances.
    Given the rule one could get someone banned (yes intently used this choice of words) if f.e. 'fgt', despite being an abbreviation, is being said in all chat -regardless of context - but saying 'jew' or any other religious 'offense' is not considered? I am sorry but I couldn't believe it and let my browser search for religious/docile and even devotional/pious(ly) (words almost noone uses) in the T&C and was disappointed not to find it at least once - neither in the rules nor in the comments and posts.
    Along with one of the common human rights - freedom of religion and belief - there should be a corresponding rule for behavior violating the human rights.

    I think you know where I am getting to, so I'll stop just myself here before I continue to write another block of characters.



    I'd appreciate if the ban length of my punishment could at least be shortened. If not, I am totally fine with, gotta accept that. Though, in that case I'd like to ask if this is 'merely' an account ban which would entitle me to create another account, keep myself in touch with my buds and furthermore vote for either my banned account or my newly created account.

    Thanks in advance for your time and help.
     
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    Your ban will remain as the rules quite clearly say transmitting the N word is something ban worthy. You will be able to continue voting during this time period but will not be able to play on any other accounts until the ban has elapsed.
     
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    Alright, I will accept it by now though something still bothers me. I was able to create a account and get past the login screen (Neither am I sure if logging in with a character is actually possible nor would I want to try that out). Is it intended to be a trap or something? I don't want to be perm banned for 'ban evading'. If you want to restrict me or any other violators from playing for the ban length why not do a IP ban?

    If one gets to know his account is banned the next step would be checking if you're IP banned or not. If you're not IP banned the next step would be to amuse yourself on a new character waiting for the ban to be expire not? I just want to clarify that I am not allowed log on another account right? It kinda confuses me.


    Being bored after the ban I browsed the forums and this is what I found
    This was said by GM Katsuruka in this report. Now my question is why are cases like this handled differently? It's the same after all? Me saying the 'n' word to myself is bannable but randomly directing a slur at someone you don't even know is considered as 'insulting' but not bannable? I'd like to see some equality, please.


    Thanks in advance for your time and help again.
     
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    Bump.

    I know the staff is busy with many things though it's questionable why other ban appeals get a reply faster. I don't intend to push though I'd appreciate it if I could get an answer in the near future as I am sure I'm not the only one awaiting an answer.
     
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    No one answered you because nothing has changed. You will not be unbanned. Transmitting the N word in all chat or smega regardless of intent is ban worthy. Please read our rules.
     
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    We don't have the same rulings on sexist/misogynist slurs as we do on racist or homphobic slurs. Quite why, I'm not sure, but it might have something to do with the majority of our players being male and generally not offended by being called "slut" or "hoe".

    With sexism/misogyny, we deal with reports on a case-specific basis.
     
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    The title of this thread bugs the hell out of me. You cannot use your skin colour as a way out for using that word. I don't think anyone; black, white, asian, any colour, and race, should be using that word. The problem with people using that word is that when real racism happens it's thrown about as an excuse, excusing racism. And if we want to take that excuse away from racists, everyone could and should stop using that word.
     
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