Moderator edit: This thread has been created by merging posts from a different thread into a new one. I’m sure the entire server would have been ruined by you announcing an update one day in advance! You could have provided more information, you chose not to, and you sent the message nice and strongly that the server is meant to be kept in the dark. I’m glad that the change happened so soon, else this reponse would feel pretty bad. Perhaps that’s off-topic, but I believe it’s still fair feedback. See you all in January with an update on how the 1b coin and Horntail have affected the economy!
It's quite simply unfair to give a handful of people information about upcoming changes that have the chance to affect the economy. This is always how things have been, and will stay being going forward, so that things are kept fair for everyone. Not sure what else can be said apart from that.
Everyone has access to the forums and it’s unfair to discriminate the portion of the community that gets involved in fairness to the portion that chooses to not participate nor use their own resources. By this logic, patch notes should not be posted on our forums.
Nobody is getting discriminated since everyone finds out about the change at the same time. The way you want it to be would be discriminatory to people that don't use the forum. Patch notes have nothing to do with giving forward detail as to what is coming in the patch before it happens. Patch notes are released when the patch happens - not days or hours before.
No, they find out patch notes when they read the forums/site, and only if they read the forums/site, else all information about a patch is second hand. Kind of like reading any other forum post, which is what we’re talking about now. The way I am asking it to be is literally the same as it currently is as far as discrimination goes. It’s clear that you’re too stubborn to understand my feedback though, so I digress. Now I’ll ask that we stay on the topic, and apologize for the derailment myself. Thanks for your response, Matt!
It's ok, I've moved the posts to a new thread so that discussion on this topic can continue without being off topic. It's not that I'm too stubborn to understand, I simply don't understand how a similarity comparison can be made between these two things. One is a single post in a forum feedback thread prior to an update that only a handful of players might see, and the other is an announcement that appears on the website where basically every single player goes daily to vote for NX or to update their files when they realise they cannot get into the game. So I just can't fathom right now how it would be fair to provide a snippet of future patch notes - which includes information that would give a handful of players an unfair advantage by being able to project upcoming price changes of certain items - to what is obviously a much smaller catchment of players. How can this be classed as a fair thing to do? I do want to take your feedback seriously, so if you can help me understand your point better, or explain anything that I might be overlooking in this piece of feedback, that would be appreciated.
The forums are free to use by any player, so there is no unfair advantage given. However, posting information about upcoming updates can affect the game significantly. Suppose everyone saw that this coin was being implemented and then dumped CS and WS immediately? There would have been an even more drastic crash in the economy and more people would be upset since their scrolls are now worth less. I don't think anyone is being kept in the dark, more of the game and the economy within it is being protected as best as possible by not causing a market panic crash.
I mean... I think it's enough to simply state that there will be some change regarding x. I don't think absolute transparency is necessary so long as communication is made. The only issue I have is when nothing is being said, but ever since my previous post @Matt has been a lot more active on the forums, and the changes that were made in this patch were hinted at in the shoutbox and elsewhere. As long as players know that something, or some effort, is being made I really think that's enough.
Wasn’t this the point? Like, isn’t this good? We wanted the price down. They’re too high. A strong fix that we’ve been talking about will accomplish the same thing whether it’s alongside the coin release or earlier thanks to a leak. I’m confused... I’m glad this thread got made - I’ll make an actual response when I have time in the next day or two after I’ve stopped with the eggnog and scotch. Merry Christmas, y’all!
Even with the sudden decrease in prices(that I'm not against) there were many upset players complaining about the coin and how it crashed CS and WS prices. What I am saying is that had it been announced before implemented, even a hint that a new currency was being released, it would have caused a panic crash and then a sudden swell in pricing again. Up and down should be avoided at all odds, but a steady decline back to old source pricing would be nice.
the funny thing is, there were already alot of hints about new currency coming in. anyone active on forums would have known. but yet nobody reacted to it until it was finally introduced officially. so i say that releasing official information on website 1 week earlier will still have the same effect as introducing bitcoin in game suddenly. prices still crash.
My initial request was that, in an attempt to aid the ongoing issue with NX-linked items, something is to be done to affect the game as a feature. As it was announced, it was clear that the feature was taking a long time to be implemented. My suggestion that spurned this thread was simply to reveal what was coming in advance - the intent of this would have been to artificially create the effects of the intended change without even having to actually release that change yet, thereby assisting the issue and still giving staff the time they need to implement said feature. Instead of complaining about how long things take to get done directly, I proposed what I believed to be a fair alternative and compromise. What I was met with was a standard argument of “well we never do that, so no.” It almost felt like the suggestion I made didn’t matter, and I was getting a cookie cutter response once more. You do inderstand that a feedback thread is usually asking for something new or novel, right? Something that staff doesn’t already do that we think might help. I want to compare Matt’s response to Muff’s. Matt answered me with points of why revealing things early might not be great. Those points are all arguable and while it’s fair to say that people may agree it’s unfair to those who don’t use the forums, I think that the other side of that is equally fair if not more true, and I can reference how many people have shown support for the two viewpoints by liking either posts. Is it exactly a perfect comparison? No, but the topic of the discussion here became derailed to leaks and discrimination and other stupid crap that I never cared about with my suggestion in the first place. Muff’s post instead was an informative explanation of why this particular leak might be a poor idea and referenced effects of the leak in game that may not be constructive. Do we see the difference? I’m aware that leaks are not common, however I’m of the opinion that they’re not exactly out of staff’s realm of possibilities, as I both believe they have been done in past and will also cite another poster’s words saying anyone who has paid attention to the forums would know what’s probably coming anyway. What I was asking for was a relevant break in standard procedure to help the situation by confirming the upcoming change, and what upset me was the fake argument of “we don’t do that.” We also don’t do 1b coins, and haven’t for four years, right? That was my feedback. Sometimes, leaks in advance can be used to satiate your player-base, cause change without having to even inplement a fix, and give us an idea of what you’re working on ahead of time so we don’t think you’re all sitting there scratching your heads. Might also further quell the “in-the-dark” feeling many of us have had here that auntjaemima has said is already breaking down, too.
