Clarification on looting/party rules

After reading a ban appeal (https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.112743/) I see he got banned for looting the leech sellers drops.

Going by the rules, this shouldn't be bannable since he's in the same party as the leecher, and unless the leecher told him explicitly BEFORE starting the leech that he can't loot his drops as part of his leeching terms, he has done nothing wrong. If not stated as part of his terms, the leecher can simply ask him to not loot his drops, and nothing more. If the leecher is unhappy that they are looting the drops, they should give them a refund and find someone else to leech.

The way this works right now, it means that you could find someone to leech at an area boss, party them, and tell them to stop attacking the boss if they do so - if they don't they should be banned for not following what you said which is just ridiculous.

Mapowner has final say but by partying with someone you are essentially sharing the mapowner, so anything related to offenses committed if the person didn't own the map are forfeit as long as they are in your party.

 

This is beyond ridiculous. A leecher pays to leech exp, at no time he has any right to steal the lots of the seller. What the seller is selling is a service for exp, not lots.

 

It doesn't matter, you can't report someone in your own party for looting drops. You tell them to stop, and if they refuse, give them their mesos back and find another buyer.

(I would very much like to know how that person is banned when no offense was committed also, and that the ban actually stuck)

Of course looting the drops is not a nice thing to do and I would never do it myself nor leech anyone doing it, but in no way is it bannable, I am simply waiting for a staff response on this.

 

As a frequent mage selling leech, I totally disagree to this...

Mages/Bishops sell leech. Not the drops. We are paid to kill the monsters for you. Put YOURSELF in the shoes of the person selling leech.

At stormbreakers, if the buyer loots Overall INT 60%, how would you feel?
At ulu 1 and 2, if the buyer loots all the cravens before you can loot them, where does your bonus 56/12 craven go? Half a billion is in the pocket of the buyer not the person killing the monsters (How ironic).
At Petrifighter, if the buyer loots all your nisrocks, you lose a potential 200m? The buyer sells the nisrock and the net effect is the mage losing out on mesos.

Come on...

It is already understood that the word 'party' or the point of being in a 'party' during leech is not a form of 'working together' but rather a duty for one person to satisfy the needs of another. The mob killer still has every right on what to do with the drops - to acknowledge that it can be shared, or silence means no consent given.

 

Look, I am not agreeing that what the guy did was right, I am simply saying that he got banned for something that isn't bannable, and I want Kai to respond just why it happened and that he even reinstated that the ban does indeed stick.

I know what it's like to have drops looted, it's a stupid thing to do, but you can't be banned for it at all. At the very most, he should be put on the community blacklist, just like scammers, just like zak book looters etc.

 

Ok my bad, sorry for acting up as I have a firm stance in these kinds of situations. I have not reported anyone for looting my drops but if at all, it should be similar to KS-ing rules as stealing falls under kill-stealing. I think a short few-day ban would suffice if deem serious enough actually

 

I agree with you 100%
But without the party thingy part.. because after all, they MUST be in a party for the exp share.
That's the purpose, as long as the seller is the map owner he owns the map, you can very well say it also regarding party leadership.
But yea imo it should be over at the community blacklist.

 

the rules is there, u nvr know, maybe the seller alrdy warned him a few times.

 

6. Map Looting - The act of looting one or more items dropped from a boss monster, regular monster or other map element without the system designation of ownership via the /mapowner in-game command, or alternatively without the expressed permission of the player who does have that designation.

nowhere in the rules does it state being in someone's party gives one the right to loot. what it does say is that if anyone, leech sellers included, do not express their permission for their clients looting drops, then they may ask them to stop; if they continue afterwards it is indeed bannable according to rule 6.

 

Look, We don’t know the full story here. Maybe the person buying leech consistently looted drops even after seller told him not to?

Even if the seller didn’t give warning and just reported immediately, the buyer only has himself to blame as he should have known better than to loot the seller’s hard earned drops. Mind you, every red craven is worth 500k at the npc. It adds up to alot of mesos in the long run.

 

I do agree that players shouldn't be banned for looting if they remain in party with the player asking them to stop looting. Like smexyg said though, we, as in the players, don't know the full story and in this particular case, the party leader had tried to solve the issue without GM intervention to no avail by removing the player from the party.

Hopefully this clears it up!

 

Thanks Matty, that's all I needed to know Can close the thread, thank you!