In my long time playing maple and understood that part of being "" "pro" "", you must have at least a mule for X ocation: HSMule, SEMule, etc etc etc. What about the players who use as their main character one of the so-called "mules"? We will focus today in the bishops, since it is one of the most used mules for bosses. Here is the introduction to the title and I will explain why a bishop should receive the experience in a boss. A bishop should receive EXP in bosses because: They invest part of their time like everyone else in killing a boss Take for example zakum. Zakum is a boss that requires HS and other support skills. Much of the work is used by attackers, however, they usually complain if there is no HS in the team. This is where the mule or the person who lines this class comes in. It is reversed part of the time and usually the runs are between 4 and 5 per party. (The vast majority goes by trios, but as I said we did not focus on the mules) One always hopes to invest part of their time in gaining at least a % experience, anything that serves to rise to the next level (This can be seen for example at the highest levels). How should it feel that when the third body of zakum is defeated and you see that he was expelled from the party without receiving experience? The foundation of the people will always be "you win exp doing leeching", while it is true, time and dedication is invested and I think that the vast majority of us know how it feels to sell between 3 to 10 hours (depending on the person) and IS SLEEPING, GOD THAT IS BURST and know that we can at least climb a% of our EXP through a boss, is a joy that can satisfy us. However, we already know how is the community in general "The bishops do not receive exp". We are IMPORTANT for one of the most exhausting bosses of the game Two days ago I did an HT run with some people randoms. I was expelled in the second phase of HT and they told me that the bishops do not recieve exp in HT, only the profits. Of course I got very angry, because I spend almost 2 hours of my time to earn 15% to be told that? ALSO, the bishop in HT is VERY IMPORTANT (unless as I said, you have a mule, good luck with that). We focus on supporting the team, healing the seduced person and in case an attacker dies, revive it. Do not believe that it is unfair not to receive exp when we are really much more important than it seems? A friend of mine told me "Without a bishop in HT, it is very difficult to survive". Take you own opinions about this Balance in the community Personally I like a low % of the community in general, because the other is usually very egocentric at the time of playing, selling or little less, humiliate the other person. I understand that it is a game and I understand it very well, but you think that being a competitive game, part of the fame of the person (or even the guild) is also important. Take my case: Five days ago I was also expelled from Zakum and my teammates complained about why I was expelled. The leader's response was "Bishops do not receive exp" (As people usually say, great foundation). You can imagine how the team leader was taken. Many of my friends put him on his blacklist and wanted to defame him, however, it was not worth it. The community is destroyed, it's just a matter of seeing the drama that exists in royal or much better, the blacklist of the community. Do not be stupid, be more supportive ... or I remind you that we are also humans? Maybe i'm just a salty person who has bad luck or something like that, but I can assure you that I'm not the only one who has experienced this. I know this will not change the way you play or something like that, but if at least you give them a little conscience then my work is done. If you want a mule, go and do it. Take your time to raise it and to be an independent player if you will not have problems. But do not call other players to invest part of their time to be told "Bishops do not recive exp" and earn a greater% than it usually is, because that my friend, is stupid. That's all, thanks for reading. PD: Just to say im talking about the all the persons who have this problem, not talking about myself or something.
I think that you had the misfortune of meeting some people who don’t appreciate the work bishops do in many boss runs. I always allow bishops to gain exp in zak runs as Long as they are actively helping out - dispelling and buffing throughout the runs. This is part of their role and it doesn’t sit with me right to expel a bishop before the boss is killed. The same principle should apply to HT runs; bishops are very important there. Bishops not doing damage is no valid reason for expelling them. Krex is a different story since bishops afk 95% of the time but my friends and I give them the ring to compensate or bring our own bishops.
I agree with you but at the same time, bishops have so much advantages over other jobs. Leeching is only possible for bishops. Even an arch mage leech requires a bishop HS mule. Also, bishops can basically self-leech at skele and other locations as soon as they get genesis. Just because of HS and door, they already exceed exp gaining over other jobs. I'm not trying to fight you. This is just what I felt from having 2 warriors in my account. I get jealous over bishops. P.S. I'd like to add that you met some a****les during that zakum experience.
Let me be clear bishops do not deserve exp from any boss. I play bishop and I disagree with your reasons why bishops deserve exp from boss runs. Bossing is an alternative way for attackers to receive exp other than grinding/leeching. Also attackers use attack pots when bossing which is the equivalent to paying for leech. So they deserve the exp they gain. Your main point in HT about bishops being a critical role is correct but bishops use at most 1000 pots which little no money compared to the amount of gelt/apples + stoppers attackers use throughout a 2 hour run. Even now as I run HT I feel guilty when I do leech the exp from my attackers since 1. I am level 200 so I do not need the exp 2. They were the ones who have dealt the most damage to HT. Not sure why you are getting on the high horse saying you want exp from HT when you can just sell leech where you make money at the same time gain exp. When attackers are using attack pots and might not even make back the money from the pots they used from HT due to bad drops. You aren’t forced to go on boss runs you choose to participate in it yourself.
I still can't figure out why there's any ambiguity about this whatsoever. If a party leader feels that he or she doesn't need the services provided by a bishop, that is literally an alternate way of saying "I don't need a bishop for this; I'll bring my mule." If a party leader feels that the run would be facilitated by having an independently controlled bishop, that is literally an alternate way of saying "I want a bishop in my party." If the protocol for a party run states that EXP or drops are shared between party members, unless discussed otherwise, that is literally an alternate way of saying "assume that everyone in the party shares in the rewards unless we agree on something else." There is no logic gap here, just convenient selective thinking, motivated by the natural human tendency towards listening to the ego first.
I don't think any HT squad can complete without a bishop,why do you feel guilty lol?Nevertheless you are level 200. Here is my sense. Do share experience/split with bishops if you need them!Unless you don't!
I stated my reasons why I feel guilty taking exp from attackers. I’ll explain once again why bishops do not deserve exp from bosses. 1. Attackers have to use attack pots aka stoppers/apples/gelts ALL OF THESE COST MONEY Apples are currently 30M per apple Bishops do not need to invest into attack pots for HT Also there is no guarantee there will be splits from HT since drops are random Bishops are guaranteed NX/HTP when completing HT 2. Attackers source of exp is from bossing Bishops get money/exp from selling leech which attackers cannot do.
I’m a bishop main. Granted, I have an SI, SE, and recently DPS (NL) mule, but my entire time on this game has been dedicated to the bishop class. Disclaimer: I only seriously play one character, so I haven’t been invested in getting exp and leveling up for two years now. I also hit 200 in my first three months of playing, almost always giving people free leech instead of selling. With my recent interest in hitting 200 on my second bishop (currently level 183), I’d just grind at petris whenever I request my gear back. I realize most bishops cannot 1 hit petris so I can’t really relate to those who would grind elsewhere like skeles. With that said, I don’t think bishops should get exp at bosses. When I go to bosses with friends, I go as a bishop and typically multiclient mules, often SI. I’ve never wanted exp from bosses because with an even split from the money earned at a boss run, I’m already at a significant advantage compared to all the other party members. I think the even split, no exp setup is fair or even slightly unfair with how bishops monetarily profit more than the attackers. As a bishop, our job is very easy. At Krex, sit there and HS once every twenty minutes. And get a free Almighty Ring. At Zak, HS during arms, wait half an hour, HS before third body dies. Res if someone died. Maybe Holy Shield if you want to put in effort, optional. Spam Genesis during weapon cancels if the mobs start to get overwhelming to clear them. At HT, don’t die, HS before preheads die and throughout main body, and don’t let sed mule die. Spam MG if you’re inexperienced or use Genesis to clear mobs if you are, Dark Wyverns being the exception since the vast majority of bishops are not capable of 1 hitting them. I also disagree that bishoping at HT is hard. My small circle of friends regularly borrow my gear to multiclient their bishops along with their attackers in guild HT runs. I don’t go to HT these days since they don’t need me and I don’t find playing bishop there fun anymore with the annoying Dark Wyverns mechanics. But the point is that bishop players are really expendable at bosses at the very highest level of bossing. There’s nothing really essential about a bishop main in bossing at the end of the day, and I say this as a dedicated bishop main. So as a bishop, the required effort per boss run is substantially less than that of an attacker. And you spend at most 11m in a boss run. That’s a two hour HT with max HP and max MP autopot settings with Ginger Ales. The average cost for an attacker at HT is 66m, two apples and 10 stoppers. That’s a NL with Alchemist. It costs 96m for all other attacking classes. And we get an equal split from the HT income, so we effectively profit 66m-96m more than everyone else per HT run. And we profit 10m more than everyone else per Zak run, assuming 30 stoppers per run. So given the consistent financial advantage we have in doing bosses compared to attackers, plus the fact that our job is quite easy unless you optionally choose to put in great effort (e.g. dual client sed/SI mule, juggle party to keep SI up for warriors, sair, and MM, Holy Shield the moment it’s off CD, 1 hit all HT mobs upon summon, including Dark Wyverns, and so on), I don’t see why we need exp too. We can get exp whenever we want. Sure it takes effort to grind, and we can burn out, but we’re not limited to largely relying on twice a day bosses for our leveling pace. And heck, you get at least 100m per hour profit for grinding by selling leech. You’re both richer and faster leveling than all the non mages in the game. So reducing the exp from attackers seems pretty unfair to me.
Though my sense isn't totally same as yours,but I'm convinced by some parts of what you guys mentioned. But for me,I'm willing to share experience with bishops since I need them.They spend time,put effort,should receive fair treatment(which I include experience,not only split from dropping).And for most of HT runs,no bishop=fail run,don't even have to talk about experience/split. @Sat Still join HT runs with me though my sense isn't same as yours at this point Edit:The experience bishops gain isn't as much as attackers' since they don't make damage,it's fair enough.
if want to something, or dont want to something, just try ask members and I think usually host could be decide some rules, so if you were hosting boss squad, you could get boss exp!
If a bishop is of leeching level, they should get exp. If they aren't, then they're there to either Mule, or for fun (that's me on my pally/mage ) I don't think they should get exp outside of leeching levels because changing this would be a pain and mess up leeching otherwise, but I figure, if you're there giving people HS you deserve the leeched exp. If the attackers don't want you leeching the EXP, they shouldn't bring a bishop. If they want you there to dispell or res, you deserve exp as well. Sure, the class can farm/sell leech, but people are bringing bishops to bosses for a reason. Also, I don't think the insinuation that "attackers have bosses for exp, mages have grinding" is fair. Not everyone bosses, and some people only boss. Easy, or difficult, doesn't change that some people play this game in a certain way, and if a bishop wants to boss from 135-200, all the power to you, especially if you're there giving HS, dispelling, ressing, and or contributing to the conversation.... which if it's anything like the boss runs i've been on (looking at you @ImJakeFromStateFarm ...... lol) it's worth the slightly less exp. Just my 0.02$
Hmm I don't really understand what bosses y'all are talking about. In Horntail, don't Bishops usually stay in party and get exp for most of the run, besides preheads? Maybe people run a more optimized way where they judge when the part will die and Bishop leaves party, but I didn't think that was the norm now without ~bosshp. IDK In Zakum dedicated Bishops are rare so you should just ask to see if your party is okay with you getting exp. In my opinion, HS mules are superior to Bishops because they allow attackers to get more exp and better splits. All in all, I'm not really sure what the problem is unless I'm missing something o.o
I personally dont care about the exp since i dont care about lvling really, but bishops have it easy as far as I can see. Attack pots are expensive and not to mention for bosses like HT and sometimes Zak/Krex attackers are required to have a pretty high range whereas bishops just need to basically know their role and be easily accepted despite being heavily unfunded. Not to mention in HT bishops are the only class that are not required to be hp washed, hell even heroes need to be hp washed or they wont be accepted. Looking at these 3 aspects I think it is totally fair for bishops to be exempt from either exp or splits or boss items
I don’t see the point much. You said it yourself. Pro players have mules for every occasion. If you don’t want a bish to get exp, just bring a mule. This is why I have not 1 but 4 bishops...
I agree with @helloss, if you gonna be a little B**** and not want a bishop to gain exp during a boss run when they actually dispel hs and heal u doing a good job then bring your own mule and see if it survives till the end in HT. Yes u can bring a mule bishop into HT and sometimes it can survive till the end but do u then do the job as a bishop? are u guaranteed to HS on time. dispel on time. heal the sed mule and follow them on time without lowering your DPS on your attacker? In the end I think if the person is willing to bring a bishop as a main to a boss and they are doing their bishop job properly until the end, they should receive EXP and splits. If you don't want the bishop to get splits or take exp then make your own mule. Also I think are just meeting some shitty people in game @Dann , if they expel you then Gen them so they DC or dont hs them. You have no idea how strong GEN DC is in boss. Don't be nice be evil. Live evil.
