Do you want New Sauce has exactly the same functions of Old Sauce?

I have been on Royals for 2 years ever from Old Sauce to New Sauce, witnessed it wealthy time and also it darkest time. Now I just want to know what do you guys think about all the changes, the differences of New Sauce from Old Sauce. Do you want everything from Old Sauce back?
This include:

1. FM button
2. No Lounge thing
   
3. ~bosshp
4. Mages benefit SI
   
5. mob-spawn increases in a lot of maps
6. APQ unlimited a day
7. The same way HT seduces, exactly every 3 mins, not randomly like atm. To my opinion, you don't have to make the boss like this has 1 hour run and make everything stressful like this. When people die in HT, it's all BS's fault!!
   
8. Manon's cry back. 5 elixirs every turn-ins for the Quest.
9. Buy 1000 pot or more at once in NLC
10. No fast Traveling ticket
11. ...

Those are things i can come up with. I appreciate all the effort that GMs, admin did for the game but sometimes, the thing players want isn't the change they have.
What do you guys think???

 

Give it some time. Im sure things will be improved to your likings.

 

A lot of hot button topics...Please keep this civil you guys.

Spoiler

But invariably

 

Hi there, It been 1 year and 2 months and i still don't like new sauce.

 

I'm a new player, but those changes seem like a good improvement

 

I like how the votes are very split.
Honestly, I am okay with how the server is doing at the moment. (maybe because I do not play as much as I did before, jk)

The removal of the FM button took some time to get used to, but it is really not that bad. Sure, that makes it more difficult to transfer items and buffs to mules, but that is the whole point.

The lounge... I do not know who uses that tbh but I guess it is for those who are really craving to just socialize?

Removal unlimited APQ really does help in the long run. That prevents a surplus of Onyx Apples, so that they are actually a challenge to get.

I will just say that the new source is reducing the spoonfeeding that we had in the old source. Despite the minimal bugs, lack of party quests and events, I like the new source so far.

 

OMOK OMOK OMOK OMOK OMOK

 

Go make your own server then

 

1. I'd preferred if FM button was restored but I understand why is was removed because it was a bit overpowered for people with mules.
2. The only change I want applied to Lounge is to revert it returning to the previous map when you exit Lounge. It's annoying as hell accidentally clicking Lounge and being sent to Town.
3. Preferable but I can live with its removal.
4. It was completely overpowered and unintended.
5. Mob spawn could use a buff.
6. No strong feelings since I don't APQ or plan on APQing in the future.
7. HT.. I don't care about seduce tbh. Dispels shouldn't happen 3 times in a 1 minute time window. Weapon cancels need to be less cancer.
8. Manon's Cry caused Manon's forest to be a cesspool of toxicity. Only change I would suggest is a lower cooldown for the quest: 4 hours > 1/2/3 hour(s).
9. Party Quests or low level training spots need to be buffed. Leveling to Lv. 75 for Wolf Spiders/Storm Breakers is ridiculous because the spawn rate of most maps have been nerfed.

In particular, I would suggest buffing LMPQ. It was fast EXP and by far the best training spot at one time but it also promoted playing with other players.
Now I see people buying split leech..... at fucking Master Chronos.

 

lol I have bad memories of manon's cry like camping there 3 hours until he spawned and then he dropped no cry

 

1. I was thinking the same. It could have the same feature with just 1 telerock.
2. True. It should be [map you at -> Lounge -> map you at]
3. Yes but i would like to have it. I once got a reply from a GM, ~bosshp is too convenient, @@@. See how many HP left of the boss doesn't make it die more sooner.
4. Mages are to sell leech. SI + Mage = more money on 1 hr. I don't see any overpower of it.
5. I don't know that there is a buff that can increase mob spawn
6 ..
7. Agree with you.
8. Can you explain why you want to lower the cd?? It's part of the game, why you have to make it easier?? This is like giving TT to NL after defeat zakum one time.
9. I agree with you. Some of the low level spot need to get buff.
10. Yes. Buff LMPQ exp.

darkjordanx: "I will just say that the new source is reducing the spoonfeeding that we had in the old source. Despite the minimal bugs, lack of party quests and events, I like the new source so far."

I don't feel the same way New Source gave to me like Old Source despite all the friends, game play, the environment, ... . I just feel something missing and unfamiliar with the current New Source.

 

4. SI isn't suppose to affect Mages. It was a literally a bug because the developers couldn't code SI + Booster to work together so they made SI -4 Weapon Speed instead of -2 that stacks with -2 of booster. SI gave Mages or more specifically, Bishops, ridiculous DPS that they were not intended to possess.

8. Honestly, I'm of the opinion that you have no idea about the history of the Dragon Elixer quest and you simply want a change that benefits you, 5 Dragon Elixers upon completion.

Dragon Elixers didn't even exist in GMS. You automatically turned into a Cornian upon completion of the quest.
The quest cooldown when it gave 5 Dragon Elixer was 1 hour. It's 4 hours now.
Lowering the CD is the only change I would suggest. I didn't say I wanted it to be changed. I meant reducing the cooldown would be the only buff I would consider reasonable. I'm perfectly fine with the current status.

>It's part of the game, why you have to make it easier??

If you think it's part of the game then maybe you could campaign to have the quest changed to how it was in GMS. How it was actually intended because it was never suppose to give Dragon Elixers.

 

"4. SI isn't suppose to affect Mages." How do you know SI isn't support to affect Mages?? Were you in Nexon's MapleStory team??? And as I remember, BS doesn't have booster skill

How can I benefit if it change back to 5 dragon elixers?? Did you forget the manon's cry thing??

I never want a change like GMS, I only said I want some features like Old Source.

 

What features of the Old Source Dragon Transformation do you want back?
Manon's Cry or 5 Dragon Elixers per quest?

There are two Dragon Transforations quests: "Quest A" for people who have never done them and "Quest B" which is repeatable for people who have done "Quest A".

Quest A and Quest B are completely separate quests and items from one may not work for the other. This affected Manon's Cry.

In the Old Source, a person with Quest A kills Manon. It only drop Manon's Cry for Quest A.
A person with Quest B kills Manon. It can only drop Manon's Cry for Quest B.

This caused enormous toxicity with players who hunted Manon for HT and for Bishops aiming for Genesis. Since they could not share the Manon's Cry because the Bishops would have Quest A and the players hunting Manon would have Quest B, the Bishops were vulnerable to KSing. Often, they were newer players who did not understand how reporting KSing worked and their reports would be in vain. Much of the report abuse contained KSing reports at Manon. Bishops would camp Manon for hours and hours because they had pathetic damage without Genesis and actually killing Manon's were a struggle because it was difficult to ask for help. It just wasn't a good situation.

By switching the requirement from Manon's Cry to a Manon Kill, there is literally not reason not to share Manon Kills for people aiming to complete the quest. However, Manon's Cry weren't guaranteed drops. They could range from 0 - 5 IIRC.

It's easier to complete the quest since a Manon kill is guaranteed while Manon is not guaranteed to drop a Manon's Cry. Easier requirements mean lesser reward (5 Elixers > 2 Elixers).

Despite the reduction from 5 elixers to 2 elixers, it's still easier to obtain Dragon Elixers. I can't remember the last time I've gone to search for Manon and found none in all 20 channels. It's easier to collect Dragon Elixers now because its not rigorously hunted.

I think the new source Dragon Elixers should stay.

 

It's actually not a new source change but it was changed somewhere in the middle of 2016. There were a lot of complaints on Manon and after every SC you'd see at least 3-4 KS reports and a lot of toxicity and drama so they changed it. The new system is a lot more fair and friendly with everyone being able to complete the quest and random people allowed to go into the map and hit manon instead of camping and fighting for mapowner.

 

I guess I'm good with the change then.

 

Maybe its time for a nostalgic server of a nostalgic sever - 'before new sauce'

 

That's true gMS-like gameplay though. The whole "fair for everyone" thing is nothing like the original gMS whatsoever. In fact, it's the complete opposite. People should have to camp and fight for those rare Manons/Cries, at least, if the goal is to be gMS-like they should.

 

Actually that's false, in GMS the Bishop class was less common than it is here and killing HT was a rare thing too so finding Manon wouldn't have been a problem. Here you had like everyone trying to kill HT and more than half the server have bishops mules who need gene so the demand for Manon is much higher

 

If new players already have problems starting up, imagine telling them they also need to make a 4th job bucc to be competitive in the leech market.