Hi Royals, It might be too long to read but those are all problems that affect gaming experiences. Hopefully, you could at least make some changes. This thread is to show my concerns that the economic system might be broken down. I'm pretty sure you have already noticed that Royals is getting super EXPENSIVE after the new source! Almost everything has been experiencing a booming inflation ever since 2017. AP resets, WS, CS, stoppers, apples and even godly weapons are now super costly. The high-level leeching price has also skyrocketed to an unprecedented level. Royals is getting more difficult for the newcomers(Even though old maple is hard, the economy should never destroy the gameplay anyway).Quite a lot of my buddies chose to quit because of the intolerant prices as well as a dramatic expansion of gaming time. Now here are my concerns: 1. Inflation is now becoming a serious problem that is worth noticing. Mage class, the main "worker" or "meso-maker" in this system, have to spend way more time leeching in order to fund a well-functioning attacking character than ever before, which harms people's limited patience and motivation. The leeching mechanic is crucial to the market economy because leeching(or grinding in a broader sense) directly injects fresh mesos into the game by npcing drops. And that is pretty much the only way to create liquidity flowing into the market. Even though we have taxes, smegas, fast travel tickets, tp stones to sort of balance the total amount of mesos, the total volume of meso is destined to keep growing as five years(2013-2018) of accumulation matters so much in here. That's part of the reason why there's inflation among all of those important goods you need to fully enjoy this game. 2. The major attacking class now rely on attacking pots so much. Yet the drop rate of two popular attacking pots, stoppers and apples, are nerfed directly or indirectly. This will ultimately form a vicious circle as bossing becomes expensive, it requires both expensive gears(which suffers from inflation heavily) and also expensive attacking pots. Thus the threshold of bossing(HT for instance) is raised to a high level where fewer people could possibly afford. And in return, there comes the scarcity among all of those important drops from endgame bosses. The prices of those goodies go up, raising the threshold of bossing even further. 3. Another fatal factor is hp-washing, worst invention ever in old maple. With a decrease in the player base after the new source, there's also a shortage of NX which directly leads to the shortage of AP resets. From my own observation, Ap reset is somehow served as the hard currency apart from meso. It is SOOOO IMPORTANT as least to this server. Yet the price fluctuation would destroy the gameplay internally. To some extent, it directly determines if you are eligible for bossing. For example, 2 years ago, NL/BM only needed 5b or so to hit the minimum hp requirement. But now the number is doubled or even tripled. How could normal players afford that? Considering the supply of AP Resets shrunk dramatically after the new source and the leeching price didn't increase proportionately, hp-washing is now denying most of the players' desire to fight endgame bosses in a private server. 4. Also, I have no clue why does it even make sense to nerf the drop rate of WS/CS. Now the price of each WS or CS is almost doubled. Let's just admit Royals is not old MapleStory, it's more like an adjusted version using modern technics. So CS and WS matter a lot in making godly equips that only existed in dreams in old maple. With fewer WS/CS supply, endgame equips also experience a sharp price increase. As I mentioned in the second statement, the inflation of endgame equips is definitely not pushing Royals to the bright side, it raises the threshold. So the final result of all these is that people's gaming time is expanded not in a good way which consists of socializing, bossing or just chilling around, but rather in a pointless way full of dull leeching and endless grinding in order to pay for the inflation. This phenomenon existed before the new source but it's getting even worse. If that's not convincing enough, go check how many smegas are about leeching every day. Here are some suggestions: 1. Lower the cost of hp washing and make Ap resets purchasable through mesos at a fixed price instead of using NX only. Newcomers could still buy AP resets by NX and sell them for mesos under the fixed price if they are in a desperate need of money. This is also a good way to deplete excess circulating mesos in the market and to keep inflation rate at a low level. 2.Increase the drop rate of WS/CS or any other goodies from gacha which benefits mostly those newcomers. It also potentially increases the supply of godly equips at a moderate level which lowers the threshold of fully enjoying the old maple. Quite a lot of things have changed after the new source, the decrease of the player base is the biggest one. With fewer new players coming in, the inflation will finally affect everyone like what happened in old maple and the lifespan of this server will suffer a huge punch. This is a very serious feedback(or more like a petition). Looking forward to your reply.
This has all been talked about before Spoiler: Here https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ap-resets-being-sold-by-albert.104098/ . First off hp washing in general should be slightly expensive but not where its at today, I have already argued about a possible decrease in the nx costs when adjusting for inflation today to around 1k-1.3k nx which would be adjusted for inflation to around 8m which was its lowest in the old source. Much of why chaos/white scrolls are so expensive is due to the amount of nx in circulation. So when gms ban vote abusers much of the nx in circulation is then completely gone which means less resets being sold this was also a problem that was thought to be solved when nx was finally made droppable from bosses and mini-bosses but didn't even put a dent into the market. So when someone who vote abused say 1m nx the market just lost over 300 resets thus increasing prices and also decreasing supply in turn making people spend NX on resets and less on gach which then results in the high prices of pretty much everything else. There are a few ways of possibly fixing this as im sure its been on the devs minds, although I would't put it past them to even really give a shit. Some possible changes include: 1. Decrease ap reset nx prices 2. Make Albert sell resets 3. Increase amount of nx per vote 4. Make a gachless system and everything farmable/droppable but at a rate where it can't be abused 5. Make Just ws/cs droppable 6. Remove Washing and create another way for classes to be able to obtain hp to fight bosses at specific levels aka Horntail at 155 which isn't possible without washing even with hb. May be others I haven't mentioned As for the insane prices of attack potions I have made a thread Spoiler: here https://royals.ms/forum/threads/make-amoria-pq-great-again.116164/ regarding this, as it was a very large concern for me and many other members of the community where I suggested to make it unlimited as it was before so that the economy could be healthy and provide players with a second way of making meso instead of making a mage, but again this thread was only catered to by the devs with a small minority of people suggesting other changes. Ill tell you now, most of what made royals such a fun experience old-source is probably not going to come back. Many of the changes the administration makes goes against what much of the community want's along with many of our concerns either going unnoticed or just being brushed aside completely and never talked about again. I guess you can say that Royals had its own Big Bang patch with New source. "If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it." - Bert Lance
My ap reset thread is the most viewed and most replied feedback thread, and, despite most people being in support of the idea, nothing got done. Seems like a certain dynamic duo is vehemently against the idea because it "enforces the idea that hp washing is necessary." Which. Lmao.
I don't think you should take it so personally. I'm sure every kid in the world would like ice cream for breakfast, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Especially since it was never the status quo to begin with.
I don't think I've ever seen you write something on this forum that made me, or anyone else, think, "This guy is of sound mind and judgement. He knows what he's talking about."
I suggest that, if anything from this thread would like to be taken seriously, then direct (or indirect) attacks against anyone in disagreement should be wholly avoided. That being said, my take on this from a player standpoint is don't expect to be spoonfed. Not here. Ever. Work for what you want. You want to wash a NL to 30k HP? Take the years to dedicate to funding and washing it. If you don't want to put in the effort to reap the reward, you have no right or reason to complain. AP Resets being at a higher price now benefits new players more, so you can't use the argument that this is for the newcomers. Putting White Scrolls or Chaos Scrolls in as drops won't change anything either, aside from making the drop maps crowded and inciting more negativity and issues to deal with. If you don't like the market, don't participate in it.
I can't believe this came from a GM. Instead of finding ways to improve the current system, you tell people not to "participate in it" lol. One of the reasons why MapleStory went downhills is because people couldn't enjoy all content without spending hundreds of $$. Likewise, many players here agree that entry barriers are too high which prevents new players from fully experiencing the game. People start this server simply to enjoy old maple and as soon as they find out about washing and stuff, they're likely to feel overwhelmed. Leveling a mage to 140+, funding it, and buying attack gear, resets, and skillbooks (which cost tens of billions) just to try out certain bosses is just too much for the average casual player. And to me, this is one of the reasons why Royals hasn't grown bigger.
My statement came from me, as a player. Not the badge next to my name. I never made a mage to fund my other characters, and washing is easily possible to do without a leech selling character. It just takes time. About 4 months of voting to be exact.
This has nothing to do with Muff being a GM or not. I can confidently say that if he's not a GM and made that statement, you wouldn't even bother making these statements. Fact is, players often forget that we are players ourselves, and just like you, we have things that we like and dislike. Yes, we play the game just like anybody else. The only difference between you and me is direct communication with the administration (and of course, the ban hammer). Other than that, we're all the same. Now, before you retaliate my post, I'd also like to point out that I have received tons of complains regarding the aforementioned statements I just made, saying how I am a staff, and should be professional and what not. Yes, I agree with that wholeheartedly, but then again, we are players ourselves. You should not treat every post we made as an official staff respond, especially in sections like General Discussion and Feedback (because we are entitled to giving our own opinion as well on matters, which is what Muff did in this case). If it's meant to be official, an announcement will be made, or it will be elaborated to include the fact that the entire staff team has reached a consensus on a said issue. To be honest, there's no reasonable solution for this "problem" other than ending our (GM) post with "This is (not) an official staff respond", which really makes me speechless if we have to come down to that. Now, back to what Muff said; Personally, I don't take part in the market at all because of how screwed up it is. Yes, I am a GM, and I just said that. Why? I am a player. P/S: Whoever wants to flame what I just said, don't bother. I'll probably end up not reading it anyway. But by all means if it gives you a little comfort.
I voted no. Well, first off, the economy is not going wrong and HP washing is not really an invention. The economy is just changing and HP washing is more of an exploitation of the ability to "transfer" your excess MP to your HP. In theory HP washing shouldn't even be a thing. That aside, I am always against the idea of having NPCs selling items such as megaphones, owls and TP rocks, let alone AP resets. In my opinion they should only be sold in the cash shop. The reason why AP resets are being sold at that price is because WE decide to purchase them at such prices hence creating the demand for them. In my opinion, this is something created by US and WE should be the one solving it. If everyone really cares about the "economy" and wants to make it "right", then we should buy and sell them at a lower price instead of trying to solve it by creating more artificial solutions. HP washing is not a necessity, it is just that WE CHOSE to do it which makes it seems like one. If all range attackers chose to rely on hyper body, it would only require minimal washing in most cases. However, in reality it doesn't seem like players want to rely on hyper body which further convey a false reality that HP washing is necessary. Also this... ??? I don't understand how not to participate in the market when it is really a part of the game... Whether it is coming from a GM or a normal player, it is really something dumb? to say which makes it triggering. It is like saying, don't bother pooping if you don't like the fact that you have to clean up after that, when we are actually forced to be engaged in such activities.
I actually quit when new source was still basically in its early transition stages. I thought about playing again, but washing characters now a days are difficult unless you get lucky with CS/WS. I think that now, its actually not that harder compared to then. Petri leech looked like it was used to be 80m solo/h. Now its 150m~ for duo split. Which is insane now. Considering that WS/CS used to be 300m back then, and now its like 400-500? It seems pretty reasonable imo. Not to mention that there are plenty of people who have accumulated NX over the past year and will be able to wash their own character. I think its fine. Realistically, its possible for a new player to make a bish/AM and get high level to sell leech. In a years time, voting on an account and not using the NX would result in a good amount of NX being accumulated for washing. The only real issue here would be how much time someone wants to spend on the server and play the game. Ofc not everyone has the time to do this, but if this is the case, I would recommend finding a server with higher rates. Not to advertise or turn ppl away from this server, but if it doesn't meet your wants and needs, why play it?
If you are willing to sell leech, then everything is still good, because leech price kept pace with inflation: In old source (or even summer 2017), petri split was 40-45M / H. Plus the 20M / H loot income, it's 100-110M / H income. Now, petri split is 70-75M / H. Plus the 20M / H loot income, it's 160-170M / H income. You could sell leech for 3 hours and buy a WS/CS in old source. You still can sell leech for 3 hours and buy a WS/CS now. However, this is not the case for people who do not sell leech and rely on grinding for their income (either because they don't like the concept, or because they don't have hours of uninterrupted time). The price of many drops (scrolls, heartstoppers, zhelm, gen20, etc.) haven't kept pace with inflation. Therefore, it is much harder for this group of people to get funded now. Basically, the inflated economy is telling people "sell leech or go home". I don't believe this is healthy, so I support changes to be made to address this issue. Edit: I didn't include other sources of income for various reasons: Merching: most people don't have the gift to make huge profits from merching. Summon farming: again, most people don't have computers that are powerful enough to run many clients, and the kind of real-life work/school that accommodates summon farming all day. Scrolling and gaching: these are RNG-based and thus not stable income.
I agree with this statement 100%. I wish more people could see how worse MapleRoyals has become compared to oldschool MS. Maplestory was a great game people could play for years because of the meaningful connections they could make with other people. The world felt alive. However, many aspects of MapleRoyals act as massive unnecessary hoops you have to jump through, just to start having fun with everyone else. I loved oldschool Maplestory. I would spend all day at school anxious, waiting to log in and see my friends again. When it was time to go to sleep I would lay in bed grinning, thinking of the wonderful jokes and adventures I'd had with my friends that day, and imagining what tomorrow would bring. I loved it so much. I have been playing MapleRoyals for over 18 months, and I have been trying to recapture that oldschool feeling of belonging and community, but it's really hard. Leeching and hp washing encourage you to play by yourself for countless weeks, or months before you can play with everyone else in the bossing phase of the game. But, by the time you get there you just feel drained out and a little insane even, so the childhood fun and innocence of the game has completely left you. You continue playing because you have too much time invested to quit, and you play among all the other soulless zombies trying to upgrade your attack gear slowly over time and get to level 200. This isn't how it has to be!! Maplestory is not supposed to be an endless competitive grind!! This game is supposed to be for fun, to make great relationships, explore the world, level up slowly, and imagine what great updates could be in store for the game. It was a world of wonder. The sad reality is this will not change. The core Royals playerbase are precisely the ones who DON'T want it to change, because they're the ones who could tolerate the terrible gameplay without quitting. Thus, any change to make the game more fun or easier would compromise the integrity of their massive time investment in this server.
While this server is a nostalgic server, I do not think its unreasonable to encounter many "Min-Maxers" here compared to the general casual player you made bonds and friendships with in official ms. Not to say you wont create friendships like that here, in fact, you most likely will at least find a few people like that. However, the game is limited with what can be done and still keep the integrity of a nostalgic server. Many of us don't remember or just never got far enough where the competitive element of the game came into play. And yes, I do agree selling leech is not fun or interactive, but it can be compared to irl. You must work a job you usually do not enjoy or interact with anyone before you can go out and enjoy yourself and have fun with the money you earned. Not only that, you are EVEN LESS likely to actually have "fun" end game bossing either. You are usually just holding a button or two, jump a few times and almost never type because you dont wanna accidentally die and not get money. I got end game with my warrior and did zak runs, and none of them could really be qualified as "fun." I think the idea that you can only have fun in this game with a washed character and loads of money is incorrect. My advice is join a social guild, get a mic and headset, and talk and make your friendships. Remember guys, you don't make friends based on the amount of money you have!
This sentiment of elitism is exactly what's wrong with this server. To completely throw people's opinions under the bus because they haven't been playing as long as you, is completely ignorant and arrogant. I don't know who you're referring to here, but if anything, I think new players have the freshest perspective and least biased opinions.
Its typical of this kind of game. Games that are typically very grindy and glorify DPS have these kinds of players. The only thing you can pride yourself on is veteran status and dps. Theres also very little skill involved in this game, so its funny that theres actually elitism here.
I think this server is full of min-maxers, because that's the only way to play this server and have fun. The old MS didn't enable this in the same way, because leveling was such a challenge to begin with and NX cost real money. So, making mules, mages for leech, or even HP washing were all completely unviable. I would argue this server is already far from being nostalgic, but just pretends to be for the sake of getting new players. I think many things could be done to improve this game, to make it more social, interesting, and balanced, but are all denied for the idealized blanket argument of "Nostalgia" when this game is already far removed from being nostalgic.
