i ave a 108 (3.3k hp) sin thats unwashed but i think i wanna wash it. Ik 10k hp is pushing it... and dream is like 15k hp. how hard is that gonna f7 im willing to invest 5-6b in resets but how far am i gonna have to take it. even worth it?
I know it costs about 8b to wash to 10k from lvl 1. It's definitely doable to get to 10/15k from where you are, but it'll cost.
hmm, this is just an estimate: 6b+ will get you approx 400 resets. You could try adding your base int for the next 30 lvls right up to 138 so you can reach 150 base int. Then, mp washing with 150 base int gets you ~750mp every 10 lvls after 138, so in 60 lvls (at 198) you are able to get ~4500mp which converts to ~6400hp if you can afford to add fresh ap into hp and reset into luk after every lvl. Factor in int equips, natural hp and mp gain, you will probably reach ~12k hp or so. I dont recommend higher int base because 150 seems like a reasonable number so you can still boss from lvl138-200. All in all, approx ap resets required would be ~310 + 310 (for mp reset and hp wash) + 150 (int wash) = lets round it up to 800 ap resets. You will nid approx another 6b to complete the washing. Plus you wont be able to enjoy ur 10k+ hp until you're almost lvl190+ Sry its long, but i would recommend remaking your nl ^^ , it'll be cheaper and less stressful during mid game if 10k is what you're aiming for. L> @Shiyui , the hp washing sensei
You definitely cannot reach your goals if you want to stop leeching at level 135. I did a calc for 9.8k HP, leeching until level 155. This is the minimum HP you need to HT without HB. 671 AP Resets with AP Resets at 17m each, 11.407b total cost Remaking for 10k HP at level 155, stop leeching at level 155, costs 451 AP Resets, 7.667b total cost. Remaking gets you to 15k HP at level 155, stop leeching at level 135, costs 862 AP Resets, 14.654b total cost. So make your choice with all the options you have! Everything is all possible, but it always costs meso haha!
I think you meant "stop leeching at level 135" in the second plan. Considerate, professional, and helpful as always
Thanks everyone for the responses! the reason I wanted to keep on w that account is cus it has over 230 completed quests and 339 fame.. I have some thinkin to do EDIT: I DONE SOME THINKIN SO GIT REDY Y'ALL okay so @resum @Shiyui @deLuna thanks again for your responses so whatever fuck 15k hp, 9.8k-10k hp the goal Just wondering... is it possible to reset, lets say 50, DEX (or LUK) into INT before hitting 109 on my sin? i.e resetting a lot of stats without a limit, for that instant mp gain upon leveling to 109. Somewhere I've heard you can only reset 5 stats per level, or something like that which makes me unsure.. Maybe I misheard/misread that somewhere :/ (sorry for being noob) _______________ Lastly, just to demonstrate my understanding of how to go about this... (Assuming what I said prior is actually possible^) 1. Calculate base mp before hand Yay lil Hermit boi leveled up to 109. I have +210 int, from base int + equips, so I have that juicy base mp gain upon leveling. 2. Add 1 hp 3. Use reset to -1 mp to +1 luk. 3. do this until mp has reached its minimum. ______________________ 4. When I'm done, finally reset all extra base int into luk to be normal again. I'm aware its going to takepossibly +50 levels to be able to gain enough MP per level to convert to HP. I just wanna put my base int back into luk by 16x, and save my int equips for each level and scrape up as much base mp into hp as I can mid-game. @resum what u said about being finished by 198 scares me so I just wanna clear up what that really meant. I'm aware my understanding of this process may be a bit scuffed, but I hope my explanation (up there^), at the very least, shows you guys the blindspots in my thought process - so you can more easily correct me without enduring the inconvenience of developing an extensive response. Y'all beautiful thank you
So I ran my calculations for you to stop leeching and reset base int at level 160, which means your target of 9.8k HP would also be at level 160. Do note that I have no idea what your int gear is so all these calculations assume you have 0 int gear! And I'm guessing you have 4 base int right now too. So with the plan to stop leeching at level 160, it's going to take you 600 AP Resets, 10.2b total cost, to get 9.8k HP at level 160! Yes, you can! But actually doing that doesn't save you any money. Even if you took out 6 AP from your dex/luk and put it in int so you have 10 base int when leveling to 109, the total cost for your HP washing actually costs 1 AP Reset more! Completely wrong. You can reset out your dex and luk as much as you like at any level (until you get to base 4 dex or luk of course), but again, it's pretty silly doing that since you waste money haha! I'd personally go with: 1. Ask Shiyui or use her HP washing calculator to run my stats. Then follow the instructions that pop up in column A, rows 19-23! This is the process to HP wash using level up AP. Level up AP is also known as fresh AP. However, MP washing also requires level up AP. This is why my calc says Level 129-160: All AP into MP. For levels 129-160, you cannot put the AP you get from leveling up into HP. You must put it in MP. If you're wondering why, putting fresh level up AP in MP is called MP washing! The way it works is that you gain (Base Int) / 10 - 1 MP per every level up AP you put in MP, even after you use an AP Reset to -MP +dex or luk later. So with 170 base int, each level up AP you put in MP ultimately means you get 16 more MP, a bonus on top of the MP you got from leveling up! The way you're going to HP wash your character is by using AP Reset AP. People always say to use fresh level up AP when HP washing a thief, and while it's true that level up AP is better to HP wash a thief with, you can also use AP Reset AP! Level up AP HP gain: 20-24 HP AP Reset AP HP gain: 16-20 HP So level up AP gives 4 HP more than AP Reset AP for thieves. This saves you a bit of money but it requires that you have to wait to level in order to get those fresh level up AP, and you only get 5 per level. Since you have to raise your base int and MP wash from now until level 160, to actually get your 9.8k HP at level 160, what you're going to do is use AP Reset AP! This means you just: AP Reset: -MP + HP Over and over and over again until you get 9.8k HP. This process uses just a single AP because you're recycling it between MP and HP forever. And, when you get your goal HP, you'll just use an AP Reset to -MP +dex or luk so that one AP is back where is belongs! At level 160, you'll have 170 base int, so you'll use 166 AP Resets to reduce your int back down to base 4 again and put all those AP into dex or luk where they should be. But remember from levels 129-160 you put all that level up AP in MP? You'll use 155 AP Resets to -MP +dex or luk to get those back after you reset base int! And lastly you'll use the 279 AP Resets to -MP +HP to do your HP washing with AP Reset AP! Then that one last AP Reset to -MP +dex or luk so you get that HP washing AP back in your stats. 166+155+279=600 AP Resets, AP Resets at 17m each, 10.2b total cost, the math all checks out! And there you go!! A level 160 9.8k HP NL with all of its AP in the right place, just now you have the HP to HT without HB!!
but Ht arms drain 3k mp, you can still die when mass seduced. You can't use hero will with 0 mp. I'd remake, and mp wash from 70 to 140. You just need 150~250 resets(depends on your base int 500 or 600) to get to lvl140, for your char to have 30k hp potential. at14x reset int to luk, and mp to luk 70+hh leech from 7xhermit. 85+ulu 105bf leech 120samurai 125+anego 30k or go home xD
9.8k HP lets you live seduce no problem, assuming your party isn't stupid and they don't trigger mass seduce from Left Hand or Right Hand before all the other parts have been killed. o-o If you want to see what AnaPaula's suggestion would be though, their plan costs an additional 9b from the 9.8k HP at level 160 I quoted for you above, 10.2b vs. 19.278b.
im still saving up money(nx) and im still in the process of deciding. For now, Ima just stick to my shadower and develop a plan before I decide to commit that much $$$ on HP alone ... ;L
