First of all, i DON'T really understand what happen in this Ban Appeal, but I am not lazy, I am unable to understand it, so the following are all guesses, if there is a mistake, please point out. as Link https://royals.ms/forum/threads/banned-with-hyperbudda-and-tinsoldier.127869/ this player got ban cuz a shad(idk he is a shad, or his partner is a shad) ABUSING A BUG (Tim: performing meso explosion without losing the dropped money by precise positioning) Sounds reasonable, a player is banned because of abusive bug, Right? But wait, let me explain this bug. The most important thing, I believe every Chief Bandit& Shadower have encountered this bug. It’s not difficult to trigger it inadvertently, you should even say that you will trigger it anyway, you just can't avoid it. And it's annoying So it is like this : When you use Meso Explosion, SOMETIMES money bags will not explode. SOUNDS GREAT? NO, NOT AT ALL. Let me explain what will happen. 1. Meso Explosion DOES ZERO DMG. It show normal DMG, but actually ZERO.This is still lucky compared to other conditions. 2. Meso Explosion DOES WEIRD TINY DMG. No matter how much Meso you drop, it show normal dmg but deal 1~??? dmg. 3. Meso DOES NORMAL DMG. Don't be too happy too early. No matter what happens, if Meso Explosion kill mob/boss atm, YOU, YOUR TEAM, YOUR GUILD GET ZERO EXP AND NO DROP!! This can be a No reward PAPULATUS, ZAK, SHAOLIN, TOAD OR EVEN HORNTAIL. What's worse is that Meso Explosion is such a main skill for shad/CB. YOU HAVE TO USE IT If you don't feel the seriousness of this bug, let me say another way. You are an NL/BM/BS, TT/Hurricane/Gen is bugged ,sometime it does zero dmg, sometime it does weird tiny dmg, sometime it does normal dmg but cost 0 star/arrow and 0 mp. what do you do? Use double throw/strafe/big bang? LMAO Still use TT/Hurricane/Gen? But hey, someone got banned because this Bug. ROFL SO GM PLZ FIX IT OR TELL US WHAT IS ABUSE, THIS BUG DON'T EVEN NEED TO DELIBERATELY TRIGGER, IT JUST HAPPEN.
Yes you can. Its easy to notice when your sacks aren't disappearing and even if you accidentally place them so it happens, its also very easy to do on purpose.
If damage is dealt without mesos exploding, the cb/shad should loot their mesos and redrop. Party members witnessing the glitch are advised to warn, report, or leave them to avoid getting banned by association. Bugged skills are on the to-do list so it will be fixed in one of the upcoming updates.
LMAO I can garenty All of you aren't shad, do you have any idea that how fast shad player click their mouse/keyboard to improve their DPS ? At least 10 times every single second . We usually drop 2~3 minutes and then explode them, do you know how much time will take to loot all of them? And also, you guys know when you looting, pet HP wont work right? No assassnate 30 for shad , meso explosion bugged, please stop bully shad…
If you still haven’t caught the point "We are legal player, we are not using any third-party programs, we play normally, but we can get ban because this game is broken " Does this sound right? If you have doubts about how simple this bug happen, I can make a video to show it.
i thought this was about the bug where the bags dont explode but deal damage when did drop speed come into it but shadowers do have assassinate 30, GPQ came out which drops the needed sb but the thing is its still going against the ToS "Glitch Abuse - The act of exploiting any errors in game design or any features or bugs, documented or otherwise, that are not meant to be available in order to gain any sort of competitive advantage. Punishment: First offense - 14 day ban, Second offense- Permanent ban." exploiting how the meso bags dont explode, an "error in game design" obviously not meant to be available gaining a competitive advantage about how shadowers can just drop 50k bags and abuse with that to gain an advantage: practically free meso explosions
0 drop for now btw ikr, but this actually happen every single boss fight while NORMALLY PLAYING. can NL bossing without TT? can BM bossing without hurricane? can BS leeching without Gen? same for shad. later(like 6 hours later), i will make a video to show you how often this bug happen
your analogies dont really make sense because shadowers can boss without glitch abusing meso explosion is buggy, yes but you imply as if glitch abusing meso explosion is as essential to playing the class as genesis is to a bishop, which doesnt make sense at all you dont need to abuse the meso explosion bug to play the game i played a shadower for the majority of my early days didnt even know the bug existed until after i quit i bossed with meso explosion and grinded bstep and did normal 4th job stuff without the need to abuse the bug yes, ive encountered times when the bug did happen and didnt explode the mesos, but they were rare and far between now that i think about it i think you may be misunderstanding the ban appeal this shadowers were intentionally placing their mesos in a way their bags wouldnt explode but they would do damage yes it happens while normally playing, and certainly not every boss fight but these people went out of their way to glitch abuse, it didnt happen on accident
I can assure you that the players banned for abusing this glitch recently have had the intention to abuse the glitch, it is very clear by the way they take their time to purposely line up their mesos in a pattern so that this glitch will work, they drop higher amounts per bag than anyone usually do and they are only dropping once per part of the boss.
In the case of Tinsoldier, he was a doing it blatantly and has been doing it for a long time. He was a former guild member of mine back in the days of SoonTM and I suspected back then he was glitch abusing but had no solid evidence. I would assume the admins have a good amount of proof to back up the fact that he was probably purposefully abusing it and thats where it is wrong. But I agree this skill needs to be fixed for future shadower players.
I witnessed him doing it in July, but I was unable to record evidence (But I sent a message to the other staff so they could keep an eye out for him). When I asked him if he knew it was glitch abuse, he didn't respond, he picked up his mesos and redropped them. When the mesos starting booming, a few rotations later of dropping, he dropped them, again, in such a way that they wouldn't boom, and proceeded with the rest of the fight. It just took till around now for someone else to gather the evidence (at later boss fights). I know it seems like shadowers have gotten the short end of the dagger recently ( dit humor lol), but the PQ is out now, assassinate is available (I'm pretty sure I saw someone smega saying they passed the book, could have been a joke, I'm aware just the top guilds haven't gotten it, but they're not the only ones running GPQ). The glitch can easily be avoided, they just have to have wear for all to follow the rules. As Hampa said, it's a very deliberate act. I hope the responses so far have cleared some stuff up for you!
Damn, I have no idea this was a bug. Like, it happened to me sometimes, mainly when the server was lagging. And as you said, when the monster died it left me with no xp and drops. I thought it was very weird but didn't know it was a common but bannable bug. I spent 10m bombing a bigfoot and got no xp/drops because it bugged halfway trough. And honestly I have no idea how to trigger it, it only happened once or twice by chance, and I got no xp/drops. And also telling us to get the money and throw it again its ludicrous because its time consuming and you can potentially die(lmao trying to regrab 100+ sacks with a bf aggro on you). I cleary lost things by this bug(No xp, no Potential Toe, 9-10m gone). Anyway, one more thing to throw down shadower's QOL.
