HTP Price!

Damn, did I just read a post complaining about barely making profit? Not “not making profit,” but indeed making profit?
And now it’s 200m a pop, which would then mean no profit by your pot consumption description. That seemed to be the base of this argument but now that’s gg’d.
And because it takes more time out of you, you expect everyone else to comply and give you more money for it? Taking “time is money” quite backwards here.

TLDR: This post and its advocators are just stingy
Trying to use buyers as contingency for your own ht gamble yet at the same time using people who wish to sell for lower as scapegoats for your own potentially inauspicious—and completely self-willed—actions is pathetic. Yeah, getting no books on hts (and even not having any form of buyer) isn’t the best, but suck it up. If it doesn’t sell for 1b 800 etc., lower it as much as you want—you have the choice in doing so. At least you’ll have more than what you would’ve had.
Anyway, there are other important things that need to be “fixed”: Self-willed action to sell anything for whatever you want is not one of them. At the end of the day, maybe HTPs will even be free ayy
#HTPsToAll

 

Honestly was gonna refrain from replying to this thread since I'm personally not very invested in the actual HTP prices, but it hurts my brain so badly to see a bunch of incredibly self-indulgent and obnoxious people try to justify their actions.

The main difference (I assume) in the initial lowering of HTP prices was due to market demand, whilst the undercutting done by your darling Guild was obviously done out of spite more than anything else. I don't know who is the "real hypocrite" here, but you guys definitely come off as childish af. Neverthless, it seems like y'all are finally able to get a steady stream of HTP buyers though, so I guess that's good for you and the buyers who can get it cheap.

Now, I'll attempt to educate you since evidently no one has been able to so far. Although I can't blame them that you guys can't seem to understand, so I will do my best to dumb it down as much as I can, and hopefully you guys will be able to see past your overly-inflated egos and lack of IQ.

It honestly is so amusing that you are trying to justify that HTP prices should remain the same because the effort your party takes to kill it stays the same. When the other posters said "It's a free market", what they really mean is that market forces of demand and supply will ultimately determine the equilibrium price point at which it settles. This is the price that both sellers and buyers are willing and able to sell/buy the HTPs at. In a free market, both buyers and sellers are as much price takers as they are price setters. No one person or group of people have the power to set prices as they deem fit.

Also, HTP prices are definitely related to WS/CS prices, at least to some extent, simply because of the following points:

1. New players are the main buyers of HTPs, usually for their newly-created attackers and/or their mages
2. Selling WS/CS/AP resets form a significant portion of a new player's income
3. Decreased WS/CS/AP reset prices means a notable decrease in their income and purchasing power
4. The amount that these buyers are willing to fork out for a HTP is naturally reduced

I really don't understand where you guys are getting your arrogance from when you assume that HTP prices should stay high so that it remains profitable for HT runners either. You don't even have to use apples, you could even use warrior elixirs to save money and maximise your profit. But buyers (and other sellers) are in no way obliged to fulfil that condition for you when they buy a HTP. They'd just look for the cheapest/most reasonably-priced service (to them as a buyer).

As already mentioned before in this thread, the barriers to entry to the HTP selling market is virtually absent given that this is a game. There is nothing special about running HT anymore and a good percentage of the server is able to do it successfully, with only speed of runs being the differentiating factor. When there are this many suppliers, the amount that they are willing to settle for when selling a HTP service naturally decreases. It is impossible to set a minimum price because of this, unless you achieve complete monopoly of the HTP market.

I'd have thought these points would be obvious enough to anyone who's been playing the game throughout the implementation of new source, given the much more frequent fluctuation of prices in the market as a whole. Yet it seems like you guys can't grasp and accept that fact. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the extent of RWT in your Guild, so basic economics and understanding of the Royals economy wouldn't come as first nature for y'all.

But I'll help by reiterating once more; it all comes down to the reduced purchasing power and real income for everyone in the server due to the shrinking of the economy. The market for end-game attack gear has also been affected. I'm not completely updated about other commodities like int gear and whatnot, but for the HTP market specifically, this could also partly be due to the availability of MoNs, which might be more attractive to some. Undercutting or not, it is demand/supply forces at work.

If you still can't understand, then might I suggest googling about basic economics? I'm sure there are some good reads out there that are better able to explain and express how an economy works than I have tried to.

Also, I don't see any of you guys advocating for a price floor for WS/CS/AP resets after it crashed from 500m to like 330m currently. Why is that so? Where's your respect for other WS/CS sellers? Oh right, it's because you guys stand to benefit if your income remains high and scroll prices just go as low as possible.

Whatever new price the HTP market settles at, it is what it is. Buyers can benefit from cheap HTP services, so that's good. And if you guys find that it still remains profitable and sustainable in the long run, that's good too (although I seriously doubt it given that you guys prob need to use like what, 4-6 apples each on a 6 man run?). But please don't bring this shit to the forums and then try to justify your selfishness and greed by making a stupid thread like this, and supporting each other by ganging up on others, then creating a meme selling thread just to prove a point out of spite.

Y'all might think it's cool, or that you guys have that much influence on the server, but frankly it's just nonsensical.

 

Spoiler: offtopic

>talks about gathering the top 30 players to (potentially) slay pink bean
>can't even gain mutual respect and understanding between players (based on what can be clearly observed in this thread)

Yeahhh... I highly doubt the community's ready for anything of that sort

 

Wow! Getting quite personal with the attacks aren't we? As someone with an "overly-inflated ego and lack of IQ", I will try my best to respond to your points .

You completely failed to mention the 2x vote NX factor. It is obvious that CS/WS/AP Resets are going to drop in price, but the percentage margins that these items drop in price does not offset the doubled amount of NX received from voting that can be used for gachapon and selling AP resets. This is called an increase in purchasing power.

Also, if you failed to understand my post. I made it clear that items independent of NX and Gachapon should not be changing in price. This is why you can clearly see heartstoppers, apples, and leech prices have not changed even through the 2x vote NX market crash because they are all independent of NX or Gachapon. Running Horntail is also almost entirely independent of using NX, therefore the price of HTP should not be reduced either even though other items related to NX have deflated.

Surely, someone as intelligent as yourself could understand such a simple concept?

"Time is money"
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I think this is pretty self-explanatory but let me help you out. Of course HT runners are never obliged to use apples when selling pendants but as they say: "Time is money". This is not a hard concept to understand but I am confused as to why someone as intelligent as yourself who mocks others intelligence is having difficulty understanding. Apples and heartstoppers are used to minimize run times so that extra time can be used to do other things. Also, the longer your runs go on for, the greater chance of risks are incurred such as deaths or disconnections. Apples and stoppers are by no means ever obliged (unless the run host says so) but they are used to reduce time and risk factors of your run.

"If you still can't understand, then might I suggest googling about basic economics? I'm sure there are some good reads out there that are better able to explain and express how an economy works than I have tried to."

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As for your comments about "the extent of RWT in your Guild". There isn't much to say other than your comments are completely off-handed, off-topic and without basis. :3

You might think this is all "nonsensical" but your reply clearly shows it was "cool" enough to "influence" you to write such a lengthy and hostile response.

 

You are completely right in your observation that the percentage margins that prices have dropped is not exactly proportionate to the 2x NX available. But you also forget that this is temporary, and does not directly translate into an increase in purchasing power. Furthermore, 2x NX does not guarantee 2x the number of WS/CS you can get, only AP resets perhaps. But this brings us to the fact that HTPs are not necessities for new players. I believe it'd be considered to be a luxury more than anything, and we could go into discussing the effect of price elasticities of demand/supply etc. but that'd be going way off-topic, and probably isn't something you are able to understand.

I still don't get your arrogance on why things should or should not be changing prices. There is no complete independence of market prices and NX in a game that is so heavily driven by NX itself. Also, whether the price of running HT skyrockets because of 25m Apples or not, it doesn't matter to the buyer because he will still go for the service that he can afford, i.e. the price that he is willing and able to pay. And if he is able to find sellers that are willing and able to sell at that price, then that's the market equilibrium and not one person or group of people can step in and change that in the economy as a whole.

Same thing applies with the usage of better attack pots. For the attackers, yes it helps to save time, which saves money too. But like I already mentioned, the buyer is in no obligation to make sure that you make a profit. He/she just wants to get a good HTP.

I think you yourself should be most familiar about this, so whether it really is off-handed, off-topic, and without basis, we will just have to wait and find out.

Also, just fyi since you are evidently not aware; we're actually heading towards the old source economy now, whether it's a good or bad thing still needs to be figured out, but prices relevant to this thread were something like this from what I can remember.

1. WS/CS = 300m, AP resets = 8-10m
2. HTP = ~800/600
3. Apples = 10-12m, only increased to 25m just before new source due to limited APQ panic

So is setting it at 600m really undercutting? Not really. But most of you guys wouldn't know that now, would you?

Yes, I felt that I should respond, and I'd apologise for the hostility but this thread is a complete manifestation of the sheer arrogance and self-obsession that you guys are exhibiting and have exhibited over the past many months.

 

Can I buy you a pint

 

pints not gonna be enough for this man

 

this thread is L..

 

Since @Don is forum banned right now...

 

Careful, don't buy too many pints or it'll crash the beer economy :thinking:

I'd expect the other bars and pubs to have a better understanding of economics at least.

 

blame @sids
haha

 

I don't know what point OP and their friend was trying to make by lowering the HT price. As a guild member, I see their move as childish too. I agree with your point. But my opinion doesnt matter. It's actions.

OP failed to see that they cannot come to a conclusion from this discussion about this since no one can control the market.
People replied it's "Free Market", OP asked "So i can sell for 500m?" well, Of course. No one is stopping him from selling cheaper. Whether it's 1b or 1m no one should be telling him what price she should sell for.
OP makes a thread about selling cheaper HTP.
Gets called a hypocrite, greedy, stubborn.


Anyway, amen for cheap HTPs that people can afford. 200m > 0m!!

 

Lol the action of selling htps at 200m is in complete contradiction to this thread’s very existence. Nobody is complaining that he’s selling it for the value of 200m itself, but by selling it for that he is no longer making a profit, which was the basis for this argument. Note: the time argument is also now completely void.

He is very much indeed a hypocrite (assuming the same person/people who advocate this post are involved with the 200m htps...without loss of generality, I use “he”) and it is evident enough that it was a childish response because he could’ve easily enough put 300m or even 400m and probably would’ve still gotten the same amount of replies. It was a defense mechanism against the backlash that was being received in this post (or, just pure salt from a childish temperament) The strawman is pathetic. Now it’s all of a sudden “for the community” with cheaper htps, when before it was demanding the community to pay enough to enable them to profit more than just “barely making profit.”
So, really, that’s a lot more than one contradiction in relation to this post just by saying “S>htps 200m”

I do agree with your last part though. Amen for cheaper htps

 

Huh.

 

"You either die a Morty, or live long enough to see yourself become a Rick."

 

The timing was so good that i dont want to believe any of it.

 

Skipping 6 pages of comments I’ll say this:
It’s quite expected since all attacker classes want MoN and not HTP which means demand for MoN goes up and demand for HTP goes down. With regular runs of HT, supply is still the same which means that the price should significantly drop.

If you notice on other servers with cwkpq and HT, the price of a HTP is quite low since only mages benefit from HTP. I don’t know what 6 pages of arguement is about but the market is rightfully adjusting to itself with the release of cwkpq. No need to mess with natural price movements.

 

The six pages of arguments were what you just typed in one block. You're not missing much

 

I beg to differ, he's missing some juicy drama. Isn't that why we are all still here?

 

Spoiler: How this thread started

Spoiler: How it's about to end