@ Your last paragraph: When it comes to autoban, announcing being banned for hacking related stuffs seems okay imo (speed hack, vac, dmg hack, etc). As for the other offences, it will require manual intervention (e.g. we'll need to investigate). So if a notice is required to be made, it requires us to manually go into the game and announce it too.
In my honest opinion I would say that their privacy should be protected and respected as they're still human beings just like the rest of us. Would it be fair to assume each crime is performed with ill intentions? Would it be fair to shame each and every person that ever got pulled over for being suspicious? Perhaps this is not a question I could ask those who have only seen one side of the curtain, and not the other. In my time here I've definitely contributed towards the problem that is shaming the criminals of royals.. I've seen the community have their laughter over this shaming.. but would you still feel as amazing about it if you knew that some of those criminals were sincerely sorry and upset because of what they had done? Though I've always acted like a savage, a lot of those who have ever messaged me in private know I often wasn't too happy with the way the outcome had to be presented. While shaming those who get banned is easy as they can often no longer defend themselves, it is not fair if we only shame their mistakes, and only theirs. Either shame everyone equally, or don't shame at all. However if you love the joy and humour shaming brings to Royals, perhaps everyone should be shamed, GM's when they ban the wrong person, Players who provide reports leading into nothing but having wasted the GM's time, Players who talk poorly about fellow players or GM's in buddy chat. Where should I draw the line? or should you rather. I'm sorry if my post seems a tad hostile towards this idea, but it leaves me with a bad taste if I read that multiple players happily admit that they want to see this feature for fun and humorous reasons. It's disgusting. truly.
They've made for great forum signatures to those who got banned or disconnected by the flawed autoban we had in old source. On a more serious note, I think I would have to agree with Matt that they would just get annoying rather quickly. The bans handed out by the autoban system aren't the most interesting of bans, as it mostly targets players who are of low level and have had 0 impact on the server's economy. Perhaps the 1 time a hacker has a funny name someone somewhere will have a short giggle about it, but that would be a one off situation. Though at first it would sound like these automated broadcasts would help players realise that hackers really get autobanned, it won't be long until it will be seen as fodder.
I voted yes, but then read Dimitri's post and changed my vote to no. It gets really messy if a person is unfairly banned. We can see the GM's do their job, there's no shortage of ban appeals...
Voted no cause i don't think it is worth the drama and staff don't have to show that they are working to players. Some just like commenting on stuff without knowing anything, and should not be taken seriously.
I'm still for the idea that there will be like a forum post or spreadsheet that happens weekly or some sort with a list of people banned for offenses. I think the only part that is worrysome are unfair bans. The thing that comes to my mind mind when someone gets unfairly banned is suspicions of rwt. However, when someone gets unfairly banned there would often be a ban appeal justifying themself. Ban appeals are already public. GMS shows their bans and it's a lot greater than what most people think it would be and I think it would be the same for mapleroyals. Dimitri also makes a good point with that some crimes aren't made with ill intention and I can see that people often don't read the rules leading to bans. However, the rules are there for a reason. If you choose not to read it then you accept the risk of getting banned. Dimitri also mentions that people often shame those who are banned. Yes, some people shame them, but it also serves as a reminder. For example: Hey remember that xx123xx guy? Yeah what kind of guy hacks on a free 2 play non p2w game. Why defend someone who hacked, did RWT, or did a major vote abuse? These are all people who tried to get ahead of others and it's their own fault a ban came to them. In my opinion, I have little sympathy to those who get banned to get ahead of others. I like the idea of a weekly forum post, announcement, spreadsheet etc that shows who got banned and for what. This way only people who are interested in the bans would be able to see this without having to see notifications in game chat.
I still wanna know how I know if my boi I only knew in game got banned or died if he never appeals. Ty
Geez this is a difficult topic. I immediately turned to the yes camp, but then Dimitri did me with: That combined with Kai's statement about the removal of likes on appeals... .. I think sums up most of the risks for everyone involved, though especially staff members. It's difficult to stay immune to demagoguery, pride and holier-than-thou-ness. But then we have this! Which is really the only solution, if you were to broadcast most if not everything ban related. To me, two things come to mind here: There are rules a staff member has to follow. If a staff member clouds his/her judgement with pride, they will most likely not be able to do the above. Which ultimately means that this... Cannot be the end result. It is humerous because from an outside perspective it brings the potential for all parties involved to see imperfections. From GMs and players alike. As things are only ever funny if they point out something that isn't quite right, you can't dismiss people for finding humor in the mistakes of others. Does it increase the potential for unjustified shaming as a whole? Of course. But when and if it goes both ways, there is no reason to believe any of it will ultimately have bad repercussions on the largest scale. Unless MR Staff turns out to be not as robust as previously thought; because you would have to deal with the increased transparancy. In my opinion it can only ever increase the strength of community vs. staff, but only if staff has enough integrity and strength for it to work (which I think everyone should decide for themselves). Of course the other question lies in if you want to risk ostracizing people while they did nothing wrong. But then again, like what was already said, if everything and everyone's transparent, the truth should come out one way or another. I.e. if I were to go to jail for something I didn't do, I'd much prefer the public to know about the situation than not at all. The potential for justice is simply higher. But that's all hypothetical. You could bring it all the way back around and say someone might end up being responsible for some suicide because he scolded the person after he got banned. Something obscure like that. Full circle: You always draw the line somewhere, in this case in terms of responsibility and transparancy. A lot of both is awesome, but risky. Spoiler ~togglesmega if we ever get this pls thank you
Its a good deterance i guess, showing people what stuff gets you banned will stop others from doing it side note : @Dustin yooo i finally saw you posting
I would say no, it just takes the fun out of the game to see people being banned and who knows how often it happens it can be annoying to see that on your screen. Also for the wrongfully banned, it would be bad publicity especially if they did nothing wrong and was just an error.
Just put a little sign behind banned people's names. This way friends know they're banned and everyone that doesnt know/care about the person doesnt know about the ban.
It's a game, I understand with the whole privacy thing that D was talking about, but it shows you that GM's are making it a better game to play, there's been a few times where I've gone into WS and have seen a player hacking, I'll report it in the shoutbox (This has only happened like twice) but I wanted to go bomb HH or BF, so I leave. Like if 5 minutes later I see a notice in chat that (So and so) was banned, that'd make me happy. I don't know, obviously if people are banned and they didn't do anything wrong, yes that wouldn't be so great to have your name out there, but if you're back in the game how could you be hated? It's such a close-knit community that people won't NOT do things with you because you were "banned for no reason." Plus, there are only a select few people that are banned for no reason. ****If that someone is banned for no reason, and other people see it in game, and they know it was not correct, they could also act as witnesses, more proof if that was the case..**** Just a thought.
I definitely agree with the stance that it would help people learn the T&C since it is not read as often as people would like. People 100% do not realize how strict the rules are. And as for the sake of protecting someones privacy, if you get banned, you're most likely going to be making an appeal on the forums... No privacy there... If that's the worry, than maybe the appeal thread should be hidden just as the reporting thread is.
An alternative is to put up a monthly ban list, but that'd probably be too long and people also won't bother reading it. MSEA did it for awhile but stopped for the same reason. I agree. There's no need to protect someone's "privacy" if they break the rule in the first place.
