What's wrong with smegas in others languages? (Not English)

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    I was wondering What is WRONG with smegas in others languages? we all know that this is a "english server" but, does it matter?
    i mean, mostly we use smegas in english, but i think nothing is wrong with smegas in others languages, in any server you can speech in english or XXXX language. This is a COMMUNITY, their players are from all the world, NA. EU, LA, SEA, ETC. Clearly this isn't racism (i'm not sarcastic), but there's no freedom for speech. All the community support and donate because we love this server. Just for example, you can send smegas in any languages in GMS without ban or punishment, allow smegas in any language is part of a friendly server. I dont wanna generate controversy but recently you see what is happening about this topic.
    Speech isnt cheating, isn't blaming or a real misconduct.
    I hope you will reconsider what i said.
     
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    They can't monitor all languages spoken on this server. GMs would have no way of telling what's being said on smegas is offensive or not. Therefor the rules state only English smegas since we can all understand those.
     
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    Precisely what Kreupel said. It's very easy for someone to circumvent our rules when they speak across the server in a different language. We have autoban for certain trigger words (discriminatory and deragatory terms), but that doesnt catch the words in other languages as an example.
    It's also impossible for us to be able to monitor every language, and it's unreasonable to expect us to try and monitor all the various languages that people speak across the server. We have no issues with people talking to each other in another language. We simply ask that you keep smegas to English. Is that so hard to ask?

    Also, for the record, requesting someone to speak a language that 99% of our staff speak is *not*, and I repeat *not* racism.
    Racism, as defined by Merriem webster, is:
    : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
    : the belief that some races of people are better than others

    Never once have we treated someone of a different race differently or poorly than another. Never once have any of us stated *anywhere* that we believe one race is "superior' or "better" than another. We're asking that global messages across the *entire* server are kept to English so that we're able to monitor them.
     
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    I feel as if it's probably better to not ban for it unless it's offensive. Looking at how player reports go, it's up to the players to find out whether it's offensive or not. If it was offensive and no one could understand it, then they'd never know that they were being offended at all.
     
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    This is exactly what they're saying they cant do. For instance, let's say none of the staff speaks German (no idea if this is true). There are bound to be a fair number of regular players who speak German. They could tease each other, and the staff would have no idea if what they were saying was actually malicious or not. This becomes especially troubling as each language has its own colloquialisms, so using strict translations often will not give the actual essence of what was said. While I agree that it is unfortunate that a large number of players are inconvenienced by this rule, sometimes you have to choose the lesser of the evils.
     
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    If a player speaking german took offense to it, it could be reported. It's less work for both GMs and players. If no one took offense, why the need for a ban?
     
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    Just because it is easier doesn't make it fair.
     
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    Nobody's "inconvenienced"; people just need to speak in English instead. Seriously, its such an easy language to learn and get adjusted to. There were very few people in the game(if at all) that I communicated with in PQ's and such that couldn't speak english properly. I also normally ask people what country they come from, most people answered they are not from an english speaking countries and their english was still great.

    Also, the "lesser of the evils" comment you've made there is just laughable, as nobody's doing this to them out of evilness, but out of understanding that speaking in megaphones in any language other than English would allow people to hide what theyre really saying. You'll probably cry now and start whining that it is not true, but perhaps one day you will realize this.
     
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    Who are these arrogant people who think they can respond to things by simply posting a funny picture about it?
     
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    lolwut? English is one of the hardest languages to learn.

    /offtopic
     
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    Sometimes I even question my college level intelligence because I stumble on my correct wording and framing of sentences in English.
     
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    That's not true. Let's take that example, someone reports a German SMEGA saying it was offensive to them. Since none of us speak German (substitute any language we the staff can't speak/understand), the reporter might say the SMEGA uses German slang meaning X. It would then of course follow (as luck would have it) the person being reported would say "No, it is slang but it really means Y." Now the staff is stuck. As has been said before, machine translation would not be accurate enough to make a determination in this case, so the staff would have to do additional research, whether that means searching the phrase on Google trying to find an English result, or trying to track down someone who does speak German and can tell us what it actually means. That is a complete waste of staff time, especially when there are plenty of other things that staff member could be doing.

    As others said, English is the universal language. Because of that, we ask that all SMEGAs be transmitted in that language only so that all players can understand what is being broadcast.
     
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    I agree with that. The staff doesn't need to waste precious time on even more work to find out what people say in a different language. I think instead of looking at it as something bad or unfair, losers like David and others just need to realize and respect the fact that Staff has much more important things to do than inquire about every single thing that's being said over megaphones and in a different language. Had there been a way to resolve that, we would've known it by now.
     
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    I think you're missing the point David's been making. You might want to re-read his comments.

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    Monitoring the global use of chat (Smega's) keeps the overall environment friendly and curse/hate-free.
    If you want to speak a different language you're perfectly able and allowed to do so. The only restriction is that it can't be worldwide in a Smega. There is no racism or violation of freedom of speech involved at all.
     
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    Thanks, but no thanks.

    From Dictionary.com -

    "Loser - a person who has failed at a particular activity"

    Certainly, you lost when you tried to make fun of me on this forum. You have failed at that particular activity, hence, I called you a loser.
     

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