Should we add a "Repeatedly Lowballing" section to the Blacklist?

Definition of lowballing?

 

It’s gonna be a fuck no from me dawg

 

Hell no! If they both agree on the price at the time of the trade, its a fair deal. It's not the buyers fault if you feel bad about it afterwards. Don't sell if you're not absolutely sure.

 

I think we need to agree on a clear definition of what Lowballing really means before we go further.

What I consider as a "Lowball" would be knowingly offering a lower price for goods while being aware of its actual worth/ intending resale for a higher amount.
Not really blacklist worthy, and probably the easiest way to make a profit, Buy low sell high

In my opinion, If someone interfering with a sale or fake bidding, constantly retracting offers or posting fake offers, spamming buying\selling threads or plotting to undercut a sale- If proven:
Could differently be considered as a blacklist worthy offenses. Those are all a bit different then what I would consider the definition of Lowballing.

At the end of the day, the seller has all the power. Not selling the item or simply report problematic buyer behavior.

 

Can we just ban people who repeatedly offer below SB from posting in the market section

 

"In my opinion, If someone interfering with a sale or fake bidding, constantly retracting offers or posting fake offers. "
This. Idk about lowballing, I haven't seen a single report on the subject of retracting, but I feel like fake c/o and people offering just to raise the value without interest in actually buying the item should be considered blacklist worthy, when done repeatedly.
Again I am going a bit off subject here, but if we want to define the blacklist in terms of marketing schemes I believe this is related to the issue.

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#madoriforgm

 

I feel like this is one of the huge reasons why merching is dead.
Players are too sure of the price due to how popular the price guide got. It's really hard to consistently buy low and sell high.

There'd be a huge discussion with what's low-balling and whats undercutting.

• Player A might think him buying Steel Ores for 100k each isn't low-balling, it's just undercutting by like 150k. But that's like undercutting it by like 60% of 250k.
• Player B might try to buy some random player's freshly scrolled 14attack facestompers which are around 15b. But Player B tries pressuring him to sell it for 10B, which is around 33%. But its 5 whole bil.

Are both low-balling, undercutting, etc.?

 

Like xTaiga pointed out, low balling is essentially what all merchers do in the game. Someone who is merching their primary goal is to low-ball different items ( buy them for cheaper than their worth ) and then resell them at a higher price to make a profit. If you blacklist low-balling then your effectively saying merching is blacklist worthy. In my view if the seller doesn't know the real price of an item before they decide to sell it, it's on them not the buyer. For example I always use owl's to search stuff I'm selling in FM before trying to sell because I am bad with prices, I wouldn't take an offer from someone for a high-priced item without doing some asking around or using an owl.

 

I vote for Shay deleting the outdated price guide.

Nobody making a new price guide.

And letting Jesus take the wheel of the FM prices.

 

Defined

Undercutting: lowering the price at which you sell an item(s) to below that of your competitors in an attempt to have your item(s) sell faster/in greater quantities than had your price been the same

Lowballing: offering below market value on an item that is for sale

 

What’s wrong with offering below market value on an item?

 

Nothing at all.

 

Lowballing is a way of life for us FM folk.

 

They're trying to say there's a difference between trying to merch and try to scam them. Most of this really regards to newer players.

Trying to buy a 2b item for 1.2-1.5b would be merching.
Whispering a random who just gatched a perfect clean stonetooth (1.5-2b i think?) and offering him 300m is taking advantage of his lack of knowledge and low-balling him.

I think the connection they're asking if makes sense: are low-ballers scammers? Since we treat bundle-shop as scamming already, it would make enough sense to at least has a discussion.