Map stealing, map selling, and the ~mapowner system

Im absolutely against this, and ill explain why.
The whole concept of "owning" a map or "steal" a map is wrong. Maps in maple are like sidewalks, you have the right of be there and stand there as much as you want,but it belongs to the whole city, im shure that most of us would agree that if ure standing at some point , it would be rude that someone ask you to move just because he wants to stand just at the exact point where ure standing, but, if u go to the bathroom or,to buy some food and get back to "your spot" after 5 minutes and find someone there,it would be very strange that you ask him to move beacuse " you always stand there,and you just goed for a snack for 5 mins, ive been here for over an hour, now gtfo". always i hear "ive been here for 285 hours, tooked a short rest and some moron came and stealed my map" im like....he didnst stealed anything from you, he just tooked a map wich was free.

Ok.and now why would be bad that they increase the time of woning a map.simple -Multiclienting. theres many popular maps in this game wich with the big population the server has nowdays,are even more hard to find free, with just 3 mules a single person can own all 20 chs if they have over a 5 mins to owning a map.
"but isnt healthy what if i need to go to the bathroom or get an snack?".-well is not very common taht ppl goes to the bathroom multiple times per hour(at least not to do #2) and i highly doubt thta u need a snack once every hour....so it would be better that u choose ur playing hours better instead

I can understand the need of mapowning bcs ksing is something uncofortable, but after all mapowning just need 3 changes
1.-Dont allow a single person to own maps with multiple accounts.
2.-im not shure about this, but ive hear once a gm banned someone bcs of that person was """ksing""""and she/he saw him.this doesnt make sense
ksing/map stealing should have(if it doesnt) clear rules. step 1 : this person come to a map that im owning. Step2: ill show the mapowning Step3: ill ask him/her to stop. if he/she doesnt, then report. that means that if i dont ask that person to stop, theres no reason to ban him/her, bcs his not bothering me, also if he/she stops but dont cc, theres no prob,after all hes not hurting me anymore.that ppl that takes the owning of a map and say:"cc or report" or "leave or enjoy your ban" shouldnt be playing this bcs probably they are under 13 years, ill like to think theres no adult person SO STUPID to talk like that(and if someone here is, pls quit mapling and get back to school, it wouldnt hurt u to learn some manners)P.D. if theres never been a person banned for ksing withouth the owner asking kser to stop ill apologize.

3.-im not entirely against the current time...but if it need a change, its a reduction to 2 mins, to avoid the exploiting of holding maps.

Btw if this happened exactly like this, then u encountered with a complete idiot. also i would like to ask if stand in someone else map is banable,if ure just talking and not atacking or loot stealing, if it is (i would say this for the 1st time) its the stupidiest rule that ive ever heard.

Also, i have to say many ppl that maked this kind of threads b4 say somethiong like this: " he stoled my map, and i tried to explain that ive holding tht map for over "X" hours, and he responded cc or report" and the "tried to explain" ingame was: HEY! U %#&%$% NOOB! this is my map! gtfo!, and if thats the case , a "cc or report" is even kind" hope it wasnt like that

sooooooooo, u let the dogs out?

 

I feel like this issue would basically come up again even if timer was increased to 5 minutes, asking everyone to extend by another 3 minutes, and so on. The current 3 minutes feels like a reasonable time to stay actively playing, without being unreasonably so.

Like people have said, people can be rude, but that's not just limited to the ~mapowner system. If anything, it's more of a reason to appreciate amiable players and ignore (or blacklist) unfriendly ones. I agree it's pretty sucky for map snipers to wait on you to be afk/use the bathroom/etc, but it's fair in that anyone who isn't actively playing, should probably give up the map. The report system is available if someone overtly takes over a map without ownership, but in most cases even non-responsive attackers will change channel if they see you moving or killing things as map owner. It's much better in that you don't literally have to fight and KS over a map like the original server, to actually claim it...

 

Correct, you were not. My apologies on the last bit there.

 

Sure, map hoarding/serial selling is sucky and thankfully not super prevalent, but selling maps is definitely inherently toxic. By selling a map you are saying "I actively do not want to play on this map anymore and want to go do something else/log off. But I would rather sit here and continue to hold this map than give it to another player for free." Yeah, while 10 or 20mil to buy a map isn't really that much, the principle behind it is absolutely toxic and absolutely bad for the culture.

 

This poll is great!
Whatever the opinions are is all I really care about.
I think once we've reached 1000 votes that should be good enough to decide one way or the other

 

Sadly no matter what suggestions are made, I will only play for about 45 minute intervals before getting up and doing something productive or going to the bathroom/get a snack.
I am not saying that I use the bathroom multiple times per hour, I am saying that multiple times per hour I have reason to leave my computer for more than 3 minutes, but less than 5.

And no, I wasn't shouting profanity right off the bat, I polietly explained at first, and was responded to with, "I ss-ed, reported, enjoy your ban."

To share in your sidewalk analogy: if you see someone standing on a sidewalk without reason, its fine to walk passed or stand near, there is no reason for you to stand there just as much as they do not have reason. However, if there was a group of children that set up a lemonade stand, and left for 3 minutes to use the bathroom or do chores, then it would be rude of you to knock down their stand, set up your own lemonade stand in their spot, and say "I'm here now, sorry you left your spot for more than 3 minutes."

Most of us seem to agree that map selling is wrong, yet it is entirely possible to do, and not bannable. So sadly, even though I disagree with the morality of it, it will be my only source of reliable income (and I will start doing this) if the rules do not change. (sorry, but if you can't beat them, join them)

 

Your understanding of the function of ~mapowner is fundamentally flawed. Its function is not to establish a system for players to perpetually hold onto maps; it is to prevent instances of players wantonly killstealing from others. It additionally happens to provide reasonably short windows for players to use mystic door or take quick breathers during lengthy grind sessions.

If anything, one of the biggest drawbacks of ~mapowner is that it allows for a single player to hold onto a theoretically infinite number of crucial maps without making productive use of them, to the detriment of other players. To extend the duration would only encourage this behavior. If you cannot brush your teeth or defecate with enough time to hold onto map ownership, that is a good thing--that is the function fulfilling its purpose while minimizing exploitative consequences.

How would increasing the time for ~mapowner reduce map selling? If anything, it encourages map selling by allowing for players to more efficiently hold onto maps with minimal activity. The logic you provide makes absolutely no practical sense. Furthermore, you fail to explain why map selling is a problem that shouldn't be allowed to begin with.

To conclude a complete change in the social behaviors of this community from increasing the duration of ~mapowner is extremely presumptive. You fail to explain how an increase in the duration of ~mapowner would accomplish any of this.

None of your conclusions are clear from your ban appeal. You are literally inventing a narrative that spins in your favor. Just because a staff member withheld from sharing their personal opinion on the rules of this server does not imply that they thought that the map was "stolen" from you, or that they were "forced" to ban you. That is just downright ridiculous. Truthfully, this thread reads more like a roundabout method of passive aggressively venting out your frustrations over the fact that you were banned due to misunderstanding the established systems of this server rather than an earnest suggestion to improve the server.

As a side note, if it takes you more than 3 minutes to pee (and wash your hands) I highly suggest seeing a doctor.

 

just to clarify, your example isnt exact, u wont leave ur stand there, u take it out with you, and yes if i see a free spot and u come leter telling me that u were selling lemonade there for hours, i could leave, but it would still be rude from u"

 

These are the people who are causing the issue though. I blocked out username and nx. This isn't a witch hunt. She's afk with dragon to reserve map. I came in and did ~mapowner, and no one had it. Then she moved and used gene and asked me to buy
This is "holding hostage" and tbh should be a reportable offense (if done over and over). She's not training while trying to sell, she's just afk trying to sell it. Difference is when I try to sell I'll actually try and get xp before I do and typically give up after one smega and just leave map for someone else to grab.

But yea...this is ridiculous. Using drag for it though to make sure when you afk you don't lose it? That's a little different than farming heartstoppers or something lol. Unfortunately the line between it being okay and not okay is rather thin.

 

Here's one issue that I came across with ~mapowner:

ex: While I was at Oblivion 5 I came across "Inovator" on channel 3, I did ~mapowner and the map was rightfully his so I cc to lets say channel 6. Now channel 6 is empty but the mapowner is also "Inovator" who is on channel 3. I hit a couple mobs and a Lyka spawns. Now here comes "Inovator" asking me to change channels because ~mapowner command says that it's his. To avoid all of the drama I just leave anyways despite knowing that the map was empty when I got there.

So the issue is on maps where the mini-bosses spawn, If someone is attacking and channel surfing fast enough they will show up as mapowner for multiple channels. What does one do in that situation since there are people taking advantage of it.

 

I'm surprised changing channel lets you keep ~mapowner. I could understand leaving the map for a bit to repot/sell equips and etc items, but cc'ing should really cede the map over to anyone who's there.

 

I was surprised too. At first I was doubting myself and thought there actually was someone on the map and I didn't see them but then I start tracking people and realized it was an issue with mapowner itself.

 

Numbers speak for themselves, at the moment 86% of the voters want the mapowner timing to stay the same.

 

Exsctly

 

And thats just bcs he didnt put reduction as an option

 

well. autoban will be better, theres way more exploiters of this than hackers getting caught by this....

 

comon, you know that, this isnt the point, develop another caughting system....bcs this one is being explited and doesnt make sense keep the owning of a map i alrdy leaved