Archers could use a buff

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  1. Chonky
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    Taking a look at the most up to date dps chart for classes:
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    BM and MM seem to fall into a reasonable spot, but this is without considering uptime when bossing. Warriors easily have the highest uptime with stance, Buccs have high uptime with their iframes and moderate stance, and Thieves have high uptime with their high avoidability and shadow shifter. Archers, however, have the lowest uptime by far, having no stance, no iframes, and low avoidability. They need to constantly reposition in most boss fights. If I were to give an estimate, archers would have around 70-80% uptime while all other classes would easily have 90%+. If you take this difference into consideration, archers actually fall to the bottom of the standings in single target dps. This isn't even taking into account the fact that heroes, drk, shads, and to a lesser extent buccs all have a significant dps boost against multi-target bosses like zak, HT, scar/targa, and cwkpq.

    Another metric to consider is the log of Krex solo times with endgame equipment:
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/pirate-king-krexels-2nd-eye-dps-tests-bucc-and-sair.145069/

    MM are already dead last by a large margin (the 5 att added to MM boost is nowhere near enough to close the gap), and BM are below average. Keep in mind this is a best-case scenario for archers, with Krex being an outlier compared to other bosses due to them not needing to reposition. Do this test on any other boss and archers will fall to the bottom 2 spots, guaranteed.

    So how can archers be improved? Many people consider archers to fall into a "support DPS" category due to SE. In which case, I suggest making Blind, Hamstring, and Dragon's Breath work on bosses. This would allow archers to bring a little more utility to boss fights, and make them feel better to play. In addition, this would make MM a more viable choice despite having low DPS due to the fact that Blind would be more sought after than Hamstring in most cases, and would also encourage more people to main archers instead of just having them be a SE mule.

    If you were to try to balance their damage instead, then a simple change of increasing their critical shot from 40% crit rate to 45% crit rate (or even 50%, on par with NL) would be an easy and effective way to buff them.
     
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    Being one of the ppl who thinks that pretty much every job beside nl can use a buff, theres one exception to that rule..and that is bm.
    Bms rn can deal a more than decent amount of dmg just if they know how to position exactly at bosses(ive seen bms do pirate boss in cwpqa barely getting dispelled) compare a ranged atacker like them with a warrior just bcs of stance ,its wrong, bcs stance is a joke(honestly, me and all the warriors i know agree that stance feels like 50-60% and its not even near 90%, u know "power scamste") and being so near the target makes that comparision obsolete.
    Bms have:
    High range action
    More than decent dps
    Mob clearing skills
    And by far the BEST party buff in game.
    On side, they have many useless skills that could be reworked, but imo theyre in a pretty great position rn.
    ifs someonestrugles using it the best advice to them is GIT GUD

    MMs is another story, being a single target and deal the lowest dmg in game is cruel, and doesnt have any sense,i totalky agree that buffing one of their skills bu adding just 5att is not even near what they needed.ive seen a few really interesting ideas that mms can use to get better:

    1.Make strafe launch 5 arrows and and reducing the dmg %, that way they woukd still be weaker than bms, but in case they have SI they would become stronger(bms dont even need their booster)

    2.Add a chunk of HP on xbows, so they have rhat benefit over bms(this probably makes them just the best SE mule...so im not that shure about thia one)

    3.make snipe bypass cancel...(this should be added on adition of one of the 1st 2 stated
     
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