So my idea on dealing with the huge amount of people desiring wipes, removal of hpwashing, return of secondary stats, new worlds, less or no gash etc. Is this; We add a world that is different in all those ways that the community is split in it's desires. And then we give players the option of transfering their chars onto the main world. A one way move only. This way we don't have to worry about anything affecting existing characters like with the removal of hp washing or adding secondary stat requirements back but people still get the chance to play on a new server with a different economy and those who have had enough of the nostalgia after a while can continue on the main server without losing all their stuff. I didn't think this out too far so please discuss!
Don't get my question as if that's the only part I'm against, since I'm in general against for the idea of a new world/wipe for reasons such as dividing the community, dividing the attention of gm's, requiring more administration of 2 separate worlds, etc. but what I got stuck at is, I can see your intention of why would you want to be able to transfer characters to a new world but don't you think the entry of godly, perfect items and high levels characters to a new world with no economy and no previous history be a horrible thing to do ? Not trying to destroy your idea or anything but just wondering .. Spoiler: Also Secondary stats exists in this server ..
Someone made a poll about this: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/second-world.117512/ That might give an indication how (a part of) the community thinks about a second world. And the same sort of thought was going through my head: You can't hope to 'grandfather in' chars from an old (OP) system to a new (nerfed) system, without creating a vast chasm between the 'native' chars and the 'old-world elite'. Curious as to how you envisioned to balance this practically, without drama?
Im saying the new world gets only new characters. you could think of the new world as having weaker players with weaker equips. transfering them to the old world wont offset a thing.
Ah sorry, the nostalgia bit made me read it in the opposite direction. Hm, personally, I wouldn't want to move a weaker char to a stronger world. As I'm already weak as it stands... And weak x weak = weak²
And once the people from the new world come over to the main one, say with their earned items, equips and everything, would not offset a single thing ??? New items coming out of nowhere to the server wouldn't cause any harm at all ? With sudden high level characters entering the server out of nowhere wouldn't change any demand or wouldn't affect either economy nor community ? Imagine someone made around 200m in that new server (which is very easy to do just by a few hours of farming at certain maps and npc'ing would get you that amount) and bought out the new server's ws/cs for a very low price compared to here (low price because you wouldn't expect ws/cs to go for 500m in a newly formed economy) and bring them here wouldn't matter ? This idea would just split up the community as you've mentioned above as well in your first post.
I don't see we will be having a new world with our current situation that we are in. At least anytime soon. Having another world will make more task/problem for the admins. Also it will cost more source and administration. The server needs more important tasks to work on: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/what-should-we-work-on-next.116563/page-6
Imo The server current main concern wouldn't be creation of a new world but instead stabilisation, Character deletion, Bug fix and new content. Theres too much work to be invested into creation of a new world which requires a larger group of GMs.
Matt has also stated previously that a new world with different gameplay features would be a coding nightmare if even possible.
The ws cs argument is though. Unless the new world would not have gashapon, which some people want, though not many. Other than that i don't think players appearing out of nowhere with money is much different from new players joining as it is. Indeed a new world is low on the list ofpriorities, but i feel like we lose a lot of players because ppl leave because royals isn't nostalgic. If people could start out playing the game as they knew it, eventually they get to the point where part of the experience was the game always getting updates and changes. At this point you could transition to the main server and either continue or restart with your acquired funds. Coding is always a nightmare, but yeah. That's a good point too...
Every new player needs to pour in equal time and effort to earn that money. If one could farm 500m within 1hour in a different world and import that money while I, assuming I'm a new player, farm 100m here. How would that be fair?
I think a new player obtaining funds/mesos through the existing sources and existing circulation is MUCH different than a player suddenly coming in with funds and mesos out of absolutely no where. Those funds would be created without using this server's economy and resources and yes I do believe it would have a negative impact. It also bothers me that you want to split up the community. Not as a result of creating a world but as a motive to create one .. Again quoting from your original post:
Would it even be possible to have 2 worlds with different content? You'd need a whole new client and files for it and it's like opening a new server aside from royals
Can you explain how a new player on a new server would farm more money than a new player here? I would imagine the opposite. In my view a person putting any amount of time into maple is gonna aquire mesos and items and whether they do so on 1 server or the other doesn't make a difference.
The point isn't whether making more mesos or less, point is bringing anything that isn't earned/made on this server out of nowhere ... If you bring 10m or 10b doesn't matter since that money isn't made in the server .. The first thing that comes to my mind is Charlie's spawning of slimes to get items .. He got those items out of nowhere and sold it .. How would this be any different? Someone else coming in to the server out of nowhere with items/gear .. Granted, for your terms, the person wouldn't be doing something against the rules but the affect would be the same especially if the number of people is big. Even the smallest of items can cause a big change, and adding/creating/suddenly appearing with items (in your case) out of no where would cause harm to the economy and even possibly the gameplay here (gameplay as in parties, boss runs, etc.). You need to be able to see the difference here .. If, especially many people, comes in the server with items/gears/levels, it's NOT THE SAME as people who start in this server and make their way up by using this servers resources and market circulation ... I'm stuck on this part and not the administration, running, coding, developing, monitoring parts of a new world because, even though I'm very curious to what you'd suggest for those, I think the idea of people coming into this server freely with already progressed characters would cause nothing but harm ..
It depends on the type of content. Things like skill descriptions, animations, and other visual/UI elements loaded directly from the WZ files couldn't be different between worlds. But things like blocking off access to certain areas/bosses/pq's, having different gachapon rewards, monster drops, monster hp/exp, monster spawns, exp/drop rate, cash shop items etc, could be changed to be different between worlds.
idk where u get the idea of "huge amount of people desiring wipes etc" from, but a majority of the server probably feels otherwise ure only assuming that everyone in the new world have weaker gears or the players only play on either of the worlds. what happens in the case that people with godly gears start bringing them into the current world? or if some players see this as an opportunity to increase their financial fundings and bring in whatever gears or mesos that they have from the new world into the current one WHILE continuing to earn mesos on the current world? both cases will offset the whole market. as long as there is a sudden influx of large amount of mesos, gears or items, EVERYTHING will be offset again, no idea where u get this idea from since im getting spammed by gachapon smegas everyday so im pretty sure gachapon is pretty popular in this server some of the players here and myself have already provided arguments as to why this is wont be the case even though is server is promoted as being a nostalgic server, but cmon, most of us know that nostalgia is just a meme in this server now. also people can still play royals in whatever way they want or feel that is nostalgic. ive seen players stray away from the current leechstory meta and grind on their characters and enjoy themselves thoroughly. people cant complain that it isnt nostalgic if they chose to play according to the current meta, everyone has the freedom of choice as to how they want to play in this server also, there can never be a way to please everyone. whenever there are drastic changes, there will bound to be people who are satisfied and people who arent amused. this server already has enough problems as it is, trying to create a new world just to appease some players isnt very practical at all. if they dont feel like royals is nostalgic enough for them, feel free find another server. changes should be made to improve the experience of players who are supportive and want to stay on this server, and not in the efforts of trying to keep players who are inclined to leave
this idea of people going from one world to the other is gonna crash the economy is the dumbest thing iv heard. its still gonna be the same amount of people split between 2 worlds nothing will change. "Money coming out of nowhere"??? what do you think gach is? my friend made an account logged on for about 30 minutes and just voted for about 2 weeks not playing since he was busy got back did gach got 2 CS. The hours of effort you speak of don't exist because gach makes it not needed. all you have to do is vote everyday for a week try your luck and of look you put in the 3 minutes of effort per day to vote and just got 500m wooo.
