Another thread about smuggling

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    The topic hasn't been exhausted, not sure why the other thread is locked. So, the main arguments I see against it are "it's glitch abuse/it's not allowed", "it's not intended/it gives you an unfair advantage", and "it allows you to sell experience for money"

    1. "It's glitch abuse/it's not allowed": Just because something isn't allowed doesn't mean that it has to, or should, stay that way - otherwise slavery would probably still be legal in the US. So please no edgy "it's illegal/read the rules/your fault for not reading the rules" arguments here - the idea is to have the rule changed, not to reverse time; besides, I haven't been banned myself. Smugglers have been banned for breaking that rule, fine, I don't see what I can do about that at this point. What I can try to do is have the rule changed/removed so that it doesn't happen in the future, and that is the purpose of this thread

    2. "It's not intended/it gives you an unfair advantage": You know what else is not intended? Being kicked out of LMPQ twice in a row because of some bug after having gathered all the tickets. Because that's what happened to my party today and I was almost ready to agree to smuggling, the rules be damned. Should smuggling not be justified and allowed in cases like this? The new source might fix that, but this problem is far too common now for the ban on smuggling to have any justification in this regard. More on that in point 3

    And if I find a legit playstyle that somehow lets me take almost no damage from any attack (say, an enormous amount of defense - no idea how I'd obtain it, just hypothetically), or avoid every attack, would I be banned for it? It wouldn't be a bug, and it would be based entirely on game mechanics, but it wouldn't be intended and could give me an "unfair" advantage and let me solo bosses by afking or something. According to this rule
    I shouldn't be - it's not an error in design, nor any of the other things - it's simply unexplored territory. Anyway, I'm getting a bit off-topic with this paragraph

    3. "It allows you to sell experience for money": The leeching argument has already been made, and the only difference I see is that leeching is (supposedly) intended, while selling smuggled tickets isn't. What difference does it make? The result is the same - you buy experience for money. Plus, you work in order to obtain and sell smuggled tickets. Do you work for those 9-million AP resets? It strikes me as strange how selling NX items is allowed, but selling smuggled tickets isn't

    Now, to continue from point 1 - what I suggest is that, instead of banning smuggling, you could ban selling and buying of PQ tickets (I imagine it would be even easier than banning smugglers because it would be way more obvious that someone is selling tickets), or even better - make them untradeable, make them undroppable outside of the Party Quest, if you think you can do that
     
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    Why change a rule which has been in place for the entire 2+ years the server has been up, just to indirectly help an issue which will most likely be fixed in the new source. Smuggling is a glitch, it was never intended to be a thing and was eventually fixed iirc. If you don't want to get banned for smuggling, simply don't smuggle.
     
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    Actually, the discussion has been exhausted, and that's why it was determined to lock that thread, just like this one should be.
     
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