Attack potions on boss rewarps

As we all know,the server often lags/freeze which causes players to DC.One of the inconvenience caused by this is it often disconnects players during boss runs.Then,players have to log back into the game to get a rewarp,which may require them to use additional attack potions caused by disconnecting as it resets the buff/potions effects of the character. The additional usage of attack potions is caused by the server and it is not necessary if the server was stable.

Also,if the server lags/freeze during when GMs are not online,players will then have to create a thread for a rewarp and may have to start all over again.Thus,players basically wasted their time. For example,A party of 3 using Onyx apples are in the middle of BG A with 20%HP left when the server froze.There are no GMs online to settle this matter,they will have to create a thread for the rewarp and start all over.The point is,the onyx apples are used in vain and they wasted their time for nothing.

So,I think that players should be given attack potions refunds or attack buff/ potions given certain conditions to have a more "equitable remedy".
Some examples are shown below.

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Note : These are all screenshot before DC or in a froze state.

Please do share your opinions on this matter!

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bayb plz no hurt me

 

The major issue I see is, how do you prove that you used the potion? Ask players to provide a screenshot with ~uptime for every attack pot used? Then you're looking at 36 pictures per 6 man HT run that DCs, even though I've only lost maybe 10% of my last 50 apples used in this manner. I would have to take hundreds of pictures of my heartstopper use per krexel solo. Not really looking forward to uploading that to my next refund thread.

And where do you draw the line on what pots are worth being refunded? Personally, I think of energizers as "not spending money" but for some people they're a big deal. I think of red ciders as cheap, but for a lot of lower levels these are the most expensive potions they use.

Anyway, this (should) become an even more minor issue (though I don't think its a big deal even right now) with the new source, so hopefully this is a moot discussion.

 

Inb4 no more need for this thread with new Source. .... (yeah im Hyper Optimistic )

 

Well,that depends on how admins wants the condition to be (if they introduce this)

Heartstoppers /energizers/ciders can be an exception.However,on the other hand apples are quite costly which could be a problem for some players which they can set a policy to only refund apples.But still,attack potions used are still attack potions used.

I, too, think that this is a minor problem but it do help players in saving time and such.

Yeah, it is likely to have no more need for this with the new source but the new source have yet to come

 

I say no because it's just extra work for the GMs when they don't actually have to refund us at all.

 

If you're going to suggest they start doing something, you should at least have an idea on how to effectively implement it.

 

If you even consider using Apples, you're beyond the point of wealth where any GM/Admin will take pity on you.

 

My own personal opinion, not reflecting that of the staff, is that potions are always replenishable. You can always APQ to get more apples. You can farm heartstoppers. You can buy red ciders. The only attack potions that you can't replenish are gelts- which are event only and are limited supply. Which is why the only time I've ever refunded an attack pot was a gelt. You cant just turn around and buy another gelt like you can with apples.

I probably lost like 50 gizers over the last several months from server d/cs. When I got low, I'd just go and pap some more or hunt pianus etc.

 

This. If you can "afford" to use apples under any circumstances, then you shouldn't be given a refund. ESPECIALLY if the dc occurs during the well known prime server freeze times (between 4am and 10am GMT). Bosses are limited per day, attack potions are not and used only at your discretion if you want to "speed" things up.

Go ahead and use heartstoppers. It's already been confirmed it takes 0 effort to farm a million of them in a previous thread, anyways.

I'll personally never use an apple because it isn't ever worth paying 18m per 10 minutes to speed a boss up in my opinion, and if I get to the point where I can afford to do that, then refunding them is the least of my worries.

 

It's extra work but sometimes i think attack potions should be refunded like if the server froze not long after using the potion.

A rough idea would be they will refund attack potions given some conditions

1. only expensive/rare potions will be refunded eg. Onyx apples , Gelt chocolates
2. your screenshot posted in a rewarp thread should show the attack potion in effect

It can be refunded only if the attack potion was just used For example,

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Also,if the boss run was interrupted at below 20%,and is required to start all over again,I think it's fair to be given buffs/or attack potion(to be used on the spot) to speed things up a little.

It's not about having pity,it is giving what supposed to be refunded.

"cheaper" potions can be an exception,gelts and apples are the ones that are rare and quite costly(to me at least). If it was used and got interrupted,I do think it is fair to have it refunded.

Whether if a player can afford or not to do that(using apples),it should be refunded if it is right to do so.

 

There should never be a "Sometimes". It should either be always or never because gray areas suck. Refunding every attack potion would be horrible so that just leaves not refunding them at all.

Nothing is supposed to be refunded. We're lucky enough to have anything refunded at all.

 

Of course not every attack potions should be refunded,they should be refunded given certian conditions.

Well,that's quite true.

 

Hopefully , it won't be needed with the new source , but imo at least apples should be refunded (if you have a SS) , shouldn't be that hard , just like refunding meso / NX by making a thread .

 

I thought of a solution, but It will require a whoooooooooole lot of time to implement.

solution
Everytime you use a potion, the server should automatically send you a code, that you should remember.
Send a GM proof of disconnection + all the codes you have been receiving and voila, get back your items...

This way you don't have to deal with all the screen shots etc..

Possible implementation
The problem is, I don't know whether it's possible to add codes for each different potion, but perhaps starting with oa = onyx apple so e.g. oa863 + oa224 would get your two apples refunded

How do you proof the apples were used in this run?
Add a server date + time to the codes. Or only allow these to work in certain maps.

I don't wanna see this many codes in my screen
~Disable/enable codes feature

 

This would be a good solution but yeah it do sound like it will take a long time to implement.

A simpler solution that i think would be

1. Taking a screenshot with the apple/gelt in use,server uptime and bosshp everytime you use it.
2. If a mass dc occurs,after getting warp back into the boss,GM can then check if it's reasonable to refund the attack potion or not based on the information in screenshot
3. If there's a freeze which requires a restart or there were no GM online to deal with it,players can then post a thread for the refunds given that they have the screenshots.

 

But then you can't proof whether it was one or six potions you have been missing..

 

Sorry my bad edited the post.

 

Still, that would require 36 screenshots for a full party if there's 6 potions used...
Isn't it much easier to use a command ~Showcodes and just type them in a PM to a GM like e.g.:

OA15668 OA88812
OA63815 OA56156
OA51255 OA15615


I mean, it's much easier than posting 36 screenshots..

The gm's will be able to see the date and could give their approval and return the potions.
Once it's implemented a lot of time will be saved

 

It will be easier to us but not to the admins tho,I think it is not "worthy" to spend time implementing this with the new source coming as it should be a short-term problem. It is probably easier for GMs to check based on the screenshot given with those informations.I do support the idea of this but it sounds like much work

 

Or you could just implement logs that show when someone uses an attack potion. It will probably track all Use items used, but maybe those can be filtered out or something. There's logs of almost everything these days, so why not that, as well?