Closed BANNED AGAIN FOR MY BROTHER'S MISTAKE

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    Character Name: DefyDeath
    Last thing you did: Watching my Brother Scroll His BFC
    Why do you think you got banned?: IP Blocked...(same Household)
    Ban message when attempting to log in: IP Blocked / ID Deleted from Connection
    What GM banned you (optional):

    This has happened before..and was told to connect to another IP to play by GM Johnny.

    Reference: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/id-deleted-block-from-connection.166725/#post-978354
     
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    Your brother was banned yet again and got your IP address banned yet again. You'll need to find a different IP address to play on.
     
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    Due to developments in your case after further investigation, I have his ban to a permanent one and also permanently banned you for major account sharing.
     
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    We are both using our own individual accs with different computer. Different MAC address. I don't see how that is considered account sharing. Unless you are saying that you do not give me the benefit of doubt and banned me based on assumption.
     
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    Why are your PIN, PIC and Date of Birth the same as your brothers?
     
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    The reason the account details are the same is because it is convenient and we have always used the same password for every other game we play. As for why the DOB is the same that is because we are twins and born only a few minutes apart and have the same birthday.

    P.S. have pmed you the reason as it contains senstive information.
     
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    I’ve gotten your message in our conversation, let me discuss this with staff for a bit.
     
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    I’d also like to ask why you and your brother share the same forum account.
     
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    As for this, i have actually stated to GM Johnny and to Andreas(?) One of the forum admin. I have explained that my brother account is banned / blocked shortly after account creation but up till date i have not had a reply :( Because of this i had to share this forum account as it is the only channel i have to be able to voice out my opinions. :(

    I have the thread link if you want.
     
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    everything added up we firmly believe you and your brother are account sharing or at least your login details.
     
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    As for the login details i have already explained my point. Unless you are saying that based on my login details alone you assumed that me and my brother shares account. But isn't that abit unjust as i have explained how we have always used the same details for every game we used. Even if i do not tell him my login details he would have known it. I have also clearly stated that we both used our own individual PCs to play the game. From your end, if you check the MAC address i believe it supports my claim.

    But right now you are banning me based on assumptions isit not? While for me i have clear evidence showing that me and my brother plays on different PCs. Because right now it seems that you are rejecting my appeal for the sake of rejecting.

    Hopefully, you can reconsider the bans meted out and if there is anything else i can do to prove my claims. I will help unreservedly.
     
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    I just want to add that it is extremely unfair for the accused to be subjected to this treatment based solely on assumptions.

    I have tried to understand from your point of view and why you and fellow GMs have suspected my brother and I for A/C sharing.

    Below are the reason listed (with explaination):

    1. Same Password/Pin (it's our default pass for every game, PIN is our house postal code)

    2. Login around the same time ( We both only login after work, yes we work at the same company)

    3. Passing of items/mesos/etc. w/o saying a word (my brother is just next room, i just have to tell him offline for the items i want)

    4. AFK (Most of the time i just AFK and wait for my brother to tell me to go for the Maple Anniversary Events such as Cake/Balloon/Tree)

    I would like to also seek your understanding to see things from my point of view.

    1. We play on Different PCs (MAC address to prove)

    2. Logically speaking, why would I risk myself being suspected for A/C sharing by filing a ban appeal.

    All in all, I feel that a punishment should be meted out based on concrete evidence not mere assumptions. I understand that my brother deserve a 3 day ban for his errant behavior (Profane Language) on this game.
    However, I did nothing wrong and was implicated.

    It is unprofessional of the moderators/admin to permanently ban an individual based on suspicion of A/C Sharing w/o concrete evidence.

    Therefore, i strongly urged you and fellow GMs to reconsider your decision. Thank you.
     
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    What assumptions? these are facts:
    - you share similar account IDs and emails based off the same name and surname
    - you share the same date of birth, conveniently explained by him being your twin brother
    - you share the same password, pin AND pic, surely not all of these are related to your postal code

    This concludes to major infraction 10 Account sharing.

    Furthermore:
    - your in-game chat history points out that you don't acknowledge him as your brother, claiming that you don't know that guy other than him being your NX seller indicating that you might be trying to cover something up.
     
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    Let me explain point by point.

    - you share similar account IDs and emails based off the same name and surname

    How isit possible to have similar/same account id when we both have different account? As for emails, if you are talking about the email used for this forum account, we both each have our individual emails attached to our own account. And also explained earlier, my brother forum account was banned shortly upon creation and have not had a reply till date. Same surname, being brothers explains itself? In case you aren't aware that asians name are similar with one another. Hence, the similarity.

    - you share the same date of birth, conveniently explained by him being your twin brother

    Do i really have to send you a picture of our Identification/Birth Cert to prove our innocence? idk if that is illegal but it seems to me there is no other way.

    - you share the same password, pin AND pic, surely not all of these are related to your postal code

    That password is the default password used for every game we play since young and had stuck with us since.(Btw i did not tell him what pass to use) For PIN it's our postal code. We lived under the same household. Idk what you mean by PIC. Kindly explain.

    - your in-game chat history points out that you don't acknowledge him as your brother, claiming that you don't know that guy other than him being your NX seller indicating that you might be trying to cover something up.

    I have my reasoning for this. I really do not ackowledge him as my brother as he had garnered quite a bad reputation in the community for being an asshole. I remember there was a guy who said he saw me with my brother and asked me about this so i gave him that excuse as i do not want to be affliated with my bro ign. So yes, you can say that i was covering up something.

    What assumptions? these are facts:
    As for What assumptions? Let me explain.
    1. You assumed that having similar surname or name in account ID equates to sharing account. Brothers(not step) are supposed to have the same family name, correct me if i am wrong. The way you are handling this case is the same as saying ID PeachRedTea, PokkaIceTea are sharing accounts because they have 'Tea' in their name.

    2. You assumed that it is not possible to have the same birthdate if you are siblings. You did not consider that possibility at all, and went ahead with what was the most plausible most convenient most common idea of brothers you had in mind.

    3. You assumed that i had something to cover up based off 1 or 2 line of text i said in game.

    4. You assumed that i had shared accounts with my brother on mere suspicion and conjecture. I understand that it is your job/duty as a GM/Moderator/Admin to dish out punishment if someone had committed an offence. However, it is very wrong to punish an individual without clear and convincing evidence when a reasonable doubt exist.

    Having read past ban appeals for account sharing. It seems they are banned with clear cut evidence or admission of guilt which also constitutes as evidence. But why isit different for this case?

    Because what you are doing now is banning me just for having similar acc creation details as my brother and NOT for acc sharing.

    Why am i saying this?
    1: I did not display any signs/actions/intentions of sharing/providing/offering my account details to my brother and vice versa.

    2. I have NEVER login to his character on my computer and vice versa. (if you actually checked)

    Kindly let me know, if there is any part that is unclear.

    Furthermore,
    I would also hope that you could kindly take the time to check both our login history logs and confirm if what i said about me and my bro using our own PC is true.

    Thank You.
     
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    Any GMs/Admin that can attend to this matter will be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Please kindly start a private convo with me as i have sensitive information to share that will prove my claims.
     
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    Giving me you and your brother’s ID cards in our private conversation will only prove to me that you actually have a brother. This won’t help your case and your appeal is already denied.
     
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