Closed Banned for buying mesos?

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    Last thing you did: Logged in a while ago to do a zak run or something, it was a while ago probably more than a week. I've been somewhat inactive in-game which is why this confuses me. I'm pretty sure what I got mistakenly banned for happened on the 29th of feb.


    Why do you think you got banned?:
    I did create a support thread due to fredrick not giving me mesos, which probably led GM TimK to check my shop sales during the time.
    He probably saw the 3 billion mesos given to me from brakelights as she was paying me for the PGC collateral I was holding onto.
    I'm guessing based on just the 3 billion that passed through my shop he banned me, since I did discuss this with brakelights (@carcrash) both on forums and ingame.


    I'm assuming it's this:
    merchantsales/29 02 2016/Eeek.log:[2/29/16 9:03 AM] brakelights bought 1000 x Arrow for Crossbow (2061003) from Eeek's merchant for 999999 Mesos.
    merchantsales/29 02 2016/Eeek.log:[2/29/16 9:03 AM] brakelights bought 1000 x Diamond Arrow for Crossbow (2061004) from Eeek's merchant for 999999 Mesos.
    merchantsales/29 02 2016/Eeek.log:[2/29/16 9:05 AM] brakelights bought 1000 x Diamond Arrow for Crossbow (2061004) from Eeek's merchant for 999999 Mesos.


    Source: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/lost-item-mesos-from-shop.55490/


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    brakelights owed me 3b for facestompers that I had traded her for an 11 att FS as well as 3b.
    Since brakelights didn't have 3b immediately, she gave me an 11 att PGC to hold onto as collateral until she got the 3b.
    When she got the 3b, I set up a shop so she could pay me (since 3b would obviously not fit through a trade, plus tax is 2% more at the least), and then I gave the 11 att PGC back.

    Ban message when attempting to log in: TimK permanently banned eeek: buying meso

    What GM banned you: TimK
     
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    I banned you for this suspicious transaction, not the one you mentioned:

    Meso seller character drops a Genesis 20 book in a FM room:
    drops/08 02 2016/HexaKil.log:[2/8/16 7:22 AM] HexaKil dropped 1 x [Mastery Book] Genesis (2290048) on map ID 910000002.

    Meso selling character buys a Genesis 20 book back from your hired merchant:

    merchantsales/08 02 2016/Eeek.log:[2/8/16 7:22 AM] HexaKil bought 1 x [Mastery Book] Genesis (2290048) from Eeek's merchant for 999000000 Mesos.
     
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    I've never picked up a genesis 20 that was not earned via zakum run. If you would kindly check the chat logs or whatever you can actually check I'd appreciate it. I remember that I got frequent genesis 20's during zak runs around that time. If you can check the chat logs or whatever you can to the best of your ability I'd appreciate it. At this point, all I can say is that I've never purchased mesos and that every genesis 20 I've ever sold has been split amoung other players who were involved in the respective zak run.

    P.S. Does voting nx apply even when you're banned?
     
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    You can vote for NX during your ban period and it will accumulate on your account just like it normally would, Do you remember who you paid splits towards for that genesis?
     
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    It was such a long time ago, but I'm thinking that this genesis in particular was bought by hexakil, who I'm fairly sure he was in the zak run with us. I'm fairly sure he picked up the gene 20 and then asked if he could buy it. He then dropped it, then I sold it via shop, and distributed splits.
    If you're asking for names, I'm not sure. It should be obvious from the chat log or trade log (if there is one) that the genesis was a genuine drop from zakum, as well as being sold with the intention of being split. You're bringing up something that was almost two months ago so I can't remember something as minute as player names involved in a run.
    The only thing I know for sure is that I hadn't bought mesos.

    P.S. Thanks.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the lvl 16 character named HexaKil was not in a zakum run with you.
     
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    Then I guess I can't do anything else about it apart from say that I didn't buy mesos ever. If even the logs can't prove that I didn't obtain a gene 20 illegally, then I obviously can't.

    People who have access to the logs obviously don't care about me enough to browse through it, and at this point anything I say will be used against me like in the previous post. I don't understand fact checking with players in cases like these because you already have all the facts which should make the answer very clear. Either you incorrectly banned the player, or the player cheated. Ultimately it's up to you to make that decision, and I can't do anything about it if the staff has some kind of grudge against me; apart from apologizing for anything I may have done in the past- no ill will was intended towards anyone and I've always tried to be the model player on the server.

    If I end up being banned anyways, I suppose it might be time for me to leave. I had been spending too much time on royals over the past year, and this might be a sign for me to quit. It'll be sad leaving this amazing server, but I suppose it's not really my choice.


    By the way is there a log for Eeek picking up the genesis 20? I feel like someone could pull a bad prank by dropping a genesis 20 and picking it back up then buying one. I don't remember any of this because I've sold multiple genesis 20s within this year and I can't give any actual details because I don't even know which one this is referring to. If I'm provided with my own chat logs for the day or days (more would be useful) which the genesis 20 was sold, I could probably remember the origins of the gene 20. (I wouldn't mind taking this to PM.)

    I'll also add that I don't see the reasoning behind me buying 1b worth of mesos when my character value is more than 10x that as well as the fact that I have invested in so much RoyalPoints ($210.99 USD) that it doesn't seem worth it to risk getting banned for only 1b mesos. I only ask that you review your ban and decide whether or not it was truly justified.


    ALSO! I've had to distribute splits for every gene 20 I've ever sold. Not sure if this will help at all but some other appeal threads ask this.

    UPDATE: Could you check if anyone asked me if they could pay for something via an alt? I think it was either when I sold my chewing panda chair or when someone on a zakum run asked if they could pay from another account or someone paying for them. I was probably gullible due to being under some *ahem* substance influence. My bank statements don't show me purchasing any 3rd party meso crap so I wouldn't have done any illegal meso activity while drunk or on some other stuff.
     
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    I'll happily spend my free time trying to help people out, but I'm not randomly going to your whole history of the past few months just to try and locate something. I may have all the evidence but I don't have the story that connects it all, that's what I need from you so I can check it out.


    We don't have looting logs like that, imagine if we logged every item everyone looted on every map, that would be way too much logged data from the people that just train normally.


    Well yeah, I even asked you this in your own ban appeal:
    But you didn't remember who you paid for this particular one and you mentioned you sold more this way.

    I could check stuff like that for you, if you would be more specific with dates / names / items / amounts. Like I mentioned I don't have time to browse through your whole history in hopes to find something that might help your case, it's up to you to provide me with details that I can check out so please try to set up some detailled information so I can help you with your case to prove your innocence.

    Of course anything you say here can be used against you. If you just start making things up where you are fairly sure a lvl 16 was in the zakum rum with you, looted your genesis and dropped it again to buy the genesis afterwards I don't know what to believe from the other things you say because that's obviously not true.
     
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    It wouldn't take a chat history of a few months, it's more like a chat history of a few days before and after the sale.
    (Did you even check the chat history on the day of?)
    If this could be provided to me somehow I should be able to easily point out the reasoning behind it.
    But at this point I'm just hoping I can still visit royals, and I could care less about mesos/equips that I already don't use since I've been so inactive anyways.

    Is it possible to have everything on Eeek & Sheba cleared except retain their friends lists and be unbanned?
    I don't care for game progression at this point, so I just want to be able to enjoy talking to friends on the server.
    If not, let me know and I'll just go make a proper farewell thread.
     
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    There's no such option as giving up everything you currently have to get unbanned, you're either banned or unbanned with all your stuff remaining in tact.
    Like I mentioned I'm willing to check more logs for you if you give me specific things to look for, tell me the story of what happened and give me things to look for. I don't like browsing through your days of interaction with everyone just to try and hope to catch a spec of your innocence if you don't want to put in some effort yourself.
     
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    :/... I understand that but I really don't remember that much. I've put in as much effort as possible considering that I can't remember anything about it.
    I know that I've obtained at least 3 genesis 20s since December in zakum runs, and that I've at least had one bought by a party member.
    I'm willing to answer anything that I can honestly answer. I wasn't expecting this situation (since I didn't purchase any mesos) and thus did not prepare accordingly for this.

    I'll just post a farewell thread and move on.
    Thank you for your efforts.
     
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    OP asked me to check some specific logs and provided more evidence. His involvement in real world trade seems unlikely based on that, unbanned!
     
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