Bowman without HP Washing or HP Washing from high level

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    Well, to be honest I've always used to play classes which didnt require HP washing throughout all the years I've been playing this game. I played Mages which dont require HP washing, and Warriors which already have high HP. So I never really cared about it and never got into the subject much.

    I've read a few HP washing guides lately, and it seems its almost a required kind of thing for Bowman. I started a bowman which isnt a class I'm very experienced with, just you know to try something new. But honestly even after reading all the HP washing guides, I still dont understand if it matters much if I start HP washing now at low levels, or its okay if I start doing it from 120+, or so. Also, could I even play this class normally without HP washing at all? Because I understand some bosses would hit too hard if I dont HP wash, but I'm not sure if there could be something else I'm possibly missing about this issue.

    Any help is appreciated, thank you.
     
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    you need to HP wash if you are planning HT, but you only get exp from him lv 155 (or more, cant remember exactly). I can say, as someone making one MM - just wash him lv 135+. The items + hp quest + natural HP already covers a lot of soft spots, like zakum. Keep in mind - IT ISNT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO! But, if you want an easier time killing ht, toad, yeah its good to have a plan.
     
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    I advise you to think about the amount of time you plan on investing in the game/character.

    (I took this advice from a class/Hp washing guide on youtube)

    Say you plan on investing a small amount of time (a couple of weeks) into the class - just to play for the experience. Then I say you can probably ignore HP washing.

    On the other hand, say you plan on investing a large amount of time into the class (a couple of months or more). You want to go bossing at Zakum and Horntail and dream of hitting 200. Then HP washing is highly advised.

    If you aren't planning on going with the ladder option and just want to play for fun, then just play without washing. I wouldn't give up your early levels washing just because its what everyone else is doing.
     
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    I see. I understand HT will be difficult without washing, but I know other bosses would also be difficult without washing too. I plan on playing for a long time as long as nothing serious happens, I like Bowman and glad I choosed this class so I'm going to stay with it as a main, so being able to survive end game things are important to me. I'm just trying to understand if I can work on HP washing later on or would I have to start working on it now? Otherwise it'd be too late.

    The problem is I cant do hp washing now even if I wanted to. Requires too many ap resets, which I dont have and dont have money for. And requires a lot of work, which I dont have the patience for. If you can confirm HP washing can be done at 120+, I can wait with it until then without having to worry much.

    There's also another question, what other ways are to increase HP? You mentioned hp quests, never heard of that, for example.
     
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    you just need the excess mana. you dont need to bother about APR for now. Just put in like 50-100 base int or so and then forget about it. The process works for every lvl up until lvl 200.
    My personal advise is, maybe get a little INT eqp and wear it from time to time when you lvl up. Its still better to have a bit of excess mana so you can decide later.

    Dont skip the mid game, its the most fun in Maple. If you smega for PPQ or LMPQ or so I will join for fun :D
     
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    Well, the question is how much INT do I need from equips to have, and how would I level up with 100 int? That means I am having 100 dex less, because I spent the points on int instead, which makes me very weaker. I understand the INT is what gives MP for hp washing, but how much MP do I get from it and how much do I need to have for it?

    I've read HP Washing guides so I understand how it works, but I still dont know the numbers exactly and how much exactly I need to get and how much I need to have. And obviously, I thought there's a specific level I need to start working on this, but now you say, I can skip the whole thing and start after level 120? Or'd as you say, add 100 int now and keep it like that until I'm ready to do hp washing.

    What about adding points to HP, why does nobody do that? Without using AP resets.
     
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    I'll try to simplify (pun, not intended) it as best as I can.

    Lower levels, you need to add INT as each multiple of 10 INT will give you more MP. Yes, you will do very lousy damage. Can't run away from that if you want to HP/MP washing.

    Mid levels onwards, you will reach your target INT. This depends a lot on your HP goals and character. Warriors need lesser INT to meet their goals etc. Once you hit your target INT goal, you start MP washing. So, level up and gain 5 APs. Add all 5 AP points to MP. Use 5 AP resets (one by one) and minus (-) MP and then put it back to your Primary or Secondary stat (Bowman = Dex for Primary and Str for Secondary)

    Continue to grind/leech and level up till you hit your desired level to start HP washing. This will be based on the HP calculator by the esteemed @Shiyui . If I recall correctly, you will need to unlock the ability to HP wash by using one fresh level up AP and add (+) HP. After that, you will use a LOT of AP Resets to (-)MP and (+)HP till you meet your HP goals or till your minimum MP is hit. You can only achieve this because you did MP washing in the mid levels. By you adding AP to MP and using AP resets to minus back and put it to your Primary.Secondary stats, you actually end up with an excess MP pool. And this was only doable due to having base INT. Equipping INT items before you levels helps slightly but the base INT is where you should be focusing on.

    Hope the wall of text helps. It took me a loooooong time and a few muck ups to finally understand the mechanics. And there's still new stuff to learn. Like did you know if you're a mage, using SP reset to remove your MAX MP skill actually gives better MP yields when trying to HP wash your mage? Cheers!
     
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    Yes I understand everything. I also understand there is more than 1 way to do HP washing, and more than 1 way to increase my INT. So its not just by wearing INT equips, it can be by adding points into int, which requires more ap resets later, which are expensive.

    I hope it wont be a big mistake later, but at the moment I decided I'm not doing any HP washing only because it sounds too complicated and exhausting.
     
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