Can we just take a step back and acknowledge how stupid the HP system is in MapleStory as a whole?

Some of us are blaming Royals GMs for not mitigating HP washing issues. But can we just acknowledge how horrible the original MapleStory GameDevs made the survivability of these classes?

I mean like, a lot of the squishier classes literally cannot survive a single hit from HT. They can't dodge it, it's unavoidable. They can't protect themselves. They literally DROP DEAD 100% OF THE TIME unless they are being supplemented with HB, HP equips, or HP washing.

That, to me, is ridiculous. What game EVER has completely barred some classes from playing some of its endgame content without special benefits? They definitely didn't intend on HP washing to be a real strategy. They didn't want people to waste equip space with HP equips. They didn't craft the endgame dependent on HB either.

Now I understand if a boss 1HKO's you, but you are able to avoid it. Kite far enough, use i-frames, or stay in certain areas. That makes a lot of sense. But if you just go a completely normal path as a NL/MM/BM/Sair then you are literally stuck in the bottom of a ditch because you can never HT, ever. At level 200, the natural HP growth puts you at like 5.5k-6k or whatever. 7.8k damage from HT... you are SCREWED.

Now that, to me, is just really really bad game design there. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

 

Level 200 unwashed NL/BM/MM: 5493 HP, 8788 HP with HB

Buffed leg stomp damage: 9.8k
Wing touch damage: 9.1k

I understand how you think this means the classes above can't HT, ever, but both of these damages are avoidable.

Buffed leg stomp damage you avoid by not being on the ground until other party members kill legs.

Wing touch damage you avoid by either using Dark Sight or learning the wing animation and only going up the ropes to the platforms by Head A and Head C when the wing won't fly up.

The true unavoidable maximum damage you'll take is 7.6k, buffed Head A/Head C ranged magic damage.

So I mean, it's possible to HT. It's a huge hassle to the point it's hardly viable of course, but it's technically possible.

Agree that Maple game design is pretty silly though.

 

Its not stupid tbh, Horntail was something Nexon implemented after the players base discovered HP washing. So yeah it forced them to pay for more HP, thats Nexons true nature. MapleRoyals just follow the rule of being original game so it got affected by that though.

 

This is why Big Bang happened.


... and I secretly liked it.

 

but you can survive HT with 5.5k if you stay on heads until legs&tail&wings die. Since HT used to take multiple parties to slay there'd usually be HB for the ranged attackers so yeah it was ok back in gms. as for royals, the run takes less time if the nls start at legs so party leaders recruit nls with higher hp, since most have 10k+ it became the meta, why recruit a low hp nl when u can easily find someone with 10k

 

Doesn't bother me at all. Personally I love the concept of HP washing.

 

Hp washing is a dumb concept and the party system would be better if washing had never been a thing. What would happen if we didn't have washing? Tankier classes in general would become more needed in bosses since not everyone will trust every random NL or Bowmaster to survive through out an entire boss run like Horntail. Drk's would be needed for parties since Hyperbody will benefit every class HEAVILY and since tankier classes would be included more in parties the Buccaneer class with SI would also have importance than it currently. In this server we allow NL's and Bowmaster's to over come their weakness by washing which is why the ideal party for almost every boss would be a Bishop, Bowmaster and the rest can be NL's. You can easily find a NL with an outrageous amount of hp so you may not even need a Warrior for a seduce mule anymore. Now that this server wants to further buff everyone's hp the imbalance between the classes will further sky rocket. What's going to fix the balance between bossing classes now that all ranged classes can get an easy 10k hp after the next patch?



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So those classes have it hard, because they need to rely on a buff from another class to fight the end game boss? (They already rely on a buff from another class Sharp Eyes). There is nothing wrong with them having to rely on another skill since that's what parties are for.

Wanna talk about the ACTUAL unfair end game content that no one bats an eye at? Tanky classes can't fight Showa Bosses, actually Warrior's just standing at the map can be detrimental to everyone in the vicinity. Can I get a few hands raised from fellow Warrior's who currently or have regularly done Showa Boss Run's for experience and heavily contributed to the fight? Having bosses exclusive to classes is fine, because not only does it creative incentive to create them, but it highlights the strengths and weaknesses they have. Warrior's can't really do Showa Boss run's and ranged classes can't do Toad... Oh wait they can now.

 

Back then Drks could never zerk in HT without hp washing (when it was too expensive) because it'd mean instant death at 40% zerk lvl hp. Therefore, they offered HB buff to others in party and possibly power crush skill in between. Their dps without zerk was very very low compared to what other classes like BM, NLs, Heroes offered. Ranged att classes had minimal HP to survive in HT but their DPS covered the loss and there was exquisite balance between classes.

Demand for Drks will actually increase after this HP update. Large number of royals population are not keen or unaware of HP washing. According to Shiyui's HP wash calculator google sheet, average HP of NL/BM/MM classes at lvl 155 is 4503. With 2K additional HP, they will have 6.5k which is enough to go HT with HB. A new meta of non-hp washing can likely appear among new players and they will demand Drks in every HT party.

PS: I haven't even gone to Showa boss once on my NL ... I just don't find it worth the time . I hardly see any parties going for showa boss recently.

 

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That's the thing though. HP washing, a completely backwards and unintended method to obtaining more HP, was never meant to be a core part of this game. I'm talking about pre-BB MapleStory as a whole, from a Nexon/Wizet perspective. If it was, there would be tutorials on how to do it and it certainly wouldn't be paywalled.

Nexon/Wizet created a game where you literally MUST have a certain job (out of many) in a party to fight the boss. And you literally cannot have a single chance to survive the boss. That is just completely ridiculous. Like when have you ever seen a game where, unless you have a certain class or do a certain costly procedure, you literally cannot fight certain bosses? No other MMORPG has that. It's always possible - perhaps nearly impossible, but given enough time and skill and technique, people could usually figure it out. MapleStory never had that time/skill/technique requirement for these bosses due to unavoidable attacks, so it's literally useless.

I don't even want to talk about what's going on in MapleRoyals right now. I'm just digging back to the source of the problem - MapleStory. Drks had to HP wash to deal damage efficiently, but still. I understand that stronger classes should be squishier. But in other games, squishier classes need to learn to never get hit even one time, or risk a 1HKO. And that was possible. You can kite bosses, other characters can aggro bosses. Something like Bigfoot is a pretty fair boss, because people can dodge its attacks and pin it on the side. But in MapleStory, there are bosses where you literally cannot fight if you're a NL/MM/BM/Sair. There was just no way unless you got a specific class (Drk) to help, or if you got HP washes/equips.

That's just stupid game design IMO. Feel free to disagree but having 4 class's entire endgame dependent on 1 class or unintended solutions is fucking bad game design!!!

 

Some skills can't be done everywhere and it was fine. If they couldn't zerk cause a boss hit to much then they became that much more valuable to their party since a boss hitting so much would demand everyone have more tankiness. Why would demand for Drk's increase after giving everyone extra hp when they can just use that extra hp to not need hb? It's not just job advance hp, there's also hp buffs on multiple equips and some kind of quest that grants it. At the moment Drk's are not at the highest priority for boss runs.

The option to fight Showa bosses was my point. NL's couldn't fight certain bosses alone and with hp washing they can, but people still feel the best bossing classes are treated unfair.

I don't see how that's ridiculous since this is an mmorpg and end game bosses should be powerful enough to force the cooperation of multiple players/classes to achieve a goal. As far as a class completely relying on a skill, I mentioned Sharp Eyes. If it's not a skill classes like NL's are reliant on, then I wonder how they would survive in the bossing world if Sharp Eyes was hypothetically disabled for 1 week.

Without washing there are bosses NL/MM/BM/Sair's cannot fight. That's fine. Warrior's also have bosses they can't fight.

 

Hmm from what I've observed, there are lots of people out there who have the dps to go HT on ranged characters but don't have enough HP because they didn't find out about HP washing early enough to make the effort. Once 2K HP addition kicks in, those people will want to try HT as well and that 2k additional HP + HP from gear/medals aren't enough to make one survive without any washing. Many new players also come unaware of the need for HP washing. They usually find out about the need for HP washing around 3rd~4th job and it's too late to remake one. A lot of people usually just carry on without int gears because attempting to HP wash at late lvl is much more difficult and less rewarding. All these players will NEED HB to go HT and the demand for Drks should naturally rise to accommodate them in my opinion.

 

I agree it is terrible game design. Imo the truth is Nexon was more concerned about updating the Cash Shop and pushing out new updates to make money, rather than balancing end game content which only benefited an abysmally small proportion of the community. In short, Nexon had no reason to give a fk about end game at this point in Maple History, and eventually they rendered everything obsolete with new updates.

I think anyone can use common sense and see HP washing is a backwards, unintended mechanic. I like to use the word "bug" but I think that's a trigger word for some people. In this server, washing being unchanged combined with unlimited NX from voting results in pretty wonky gameplay where everyone leeches instead of trains, bosses are a snoozefest, and ranged classes are overpowered. Fun stuff /s

 

I personally believe that there's a flaw in the HP/MP system which allowed players to HP wash, though (very) arguably it's a fucking bad game design but it was never impossible to boss as long you have the right party and techniques. Perhaps, their intention was to make the game challenging but since players are willing to spend millions and billions on AP resets exploiting the system, there is really no good reason for them to "remedy" this isn't it?

 

I doubt about Nexon intention was to make the game challenging as we all know how greedy they are. Remember Pink bean? You basically cant do it even with HB unless you HP wash. They just forced you to spent money on it. This server stick to original game but nx are free so it already generous enough, although if pink bean ever implemented in this server, Ill have to say good bye to my corsair and make a nightlord if i want to join that boss pt.

 

Feelsbad when a range have more hp than melee. T.T

However, I respect non washed characters that gets to 200 and I do believe it is more rewarding if you knew you didn't hp wash and got to 200. Just find a Drk buddy xd

 

Was I popped up in your brain when you were writing this?

 

Yes, nany lol.

 

blah, blah, blah.
WE GET FREE NX
HP WASHING = FREE
just play the game longer than 3 months lul

 

Assuming you can reach 120 as bishop in 15 days and sell leech 4 hours perday, 80m per hour, you will need around 3 months to fully was a NL to 30kHP . If this server managed by Nexon, you will have to work 12 hours per day and lick your boss boots for higher salary for 3 years to achieve that goal )

 

Bruh I literally said let's take a step back, not think about MapleRoyals, and look at NEXON. Maple STORY.

Read dude READ