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Context: (written from one of the arguing sides so hopefully with as little bias as possible)

We just defeated the legendary Horntail. The leader announced the valuable drops and included was a 111 att faltizan. A party member (we'll call him X) asked to scroll the item and was given it under the assumption he had scrolls on him. X states that he did have any scrolls on him and would go to the FM and buy scrolls there. The remaining party members agreed.

X lands 3 30%'s on the item and someone in the party mentions how great the splits were going to be. X, confused, thought the item was for his own personal use because the party did not specifically state the end result would get split.

Argument(s):

I, as the host of the run and the person that dropped the item to X believe it should be split with all party members equally. The item itself was dropped from the boss that the party participated in and as common knowledge goes, all drops of decent value and higher are to be split with the party. The weapon itself was deemed valuable by most of the party members including myself and when I dropped the weapon to X, i figured he was going to scroll it right there and then. When X said that he had to go to the FM to buy scrolls, nothing in my mind had changed and it was implied that he was going to scroll the item for the party. If the item were to boom, the party members were not expecting X to reimburse the lost mesos, as it is the party's risk scrolling it.

X did not offer to pay for the clean item beforehand, as he stated afterwards that he did not know whether the item was valuable or not. X believes that because he did not know this, he thought he was getting the item for free just to scroll for his own personal use. After being told that it was a common thing that decent (also perfect) weapons are scrolled as parties and the end result would be split accordingly; X states that because he didn't know this and that he used his own scrolls and "luck" that the item should remain his own. I would agree with X if he offered to pay for the clean item beforehand.

It is clear that there was a misunderstanding on both sides and maybe too many assumptions made but since then, the party members have talked to X and tried to come to a conclusion. X said things that contradict his own thought process such as "if it boomed I would not have paid for it" which implies while he was scrolling and after the fact that he knew he would not be reimburse the party back. X had also originally agreed to pay us our splits but upon selling it soon after, he changed his "conditions" and would only pay us the value for the original clean item. I find this to be disrespectful and scummy behavior as X is also an experienced bosser and should know basic etiquette.

I'm asking the community for their opinion on this matter. Thanks for reading and ask questions if you got any!


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Just npc the spear

 

wtf is this bullshit

 

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/s-130-att-dragon-faltizan.122608/
@MoriForest Do you remember this day? Feels like a Deja vu

 

Sparky im a fan.

 

They scrolled it for free and sold it so I go with full splits for everyone!

 

fault on not discussing

 

This scenario begs the question, if the scroll had failed/boomed, would the user in question be liable to pay out each party member split? This is absurd and would not be the case. Since the decision was to scroll the item (decision made by the party), the outcome is a reward to the party or a loss.

The entire party should profit or loss, if this is not the case, the user scrolling the item has risk-free scrolling. Meaning he is able to net all the gains from scrolling the item while the others would only ever get the clean price or lose their split to a boom.

I can't think of any rebuttals to this unless there was some dialog before the scrolling, which I highly doubt.

 

would u guys ask for splits if someone sold it clean?

 

as I said there was miscommunication or lack of it on both parties and I can see where X is coming from but surely theres a middle ground for both parties to be happy. Unfortunately greed really brings out the worst in some.

I couldn't agree more, everything you said and more was told to X, however from the very beginning he seemed adamant. It's ridiculous X stated that even if it boomed he would not pay back the splits...

 

At the very most what the party should deserve should be the clean spear price but not the scrolled spear price.
Firstly it wasnt discussed beforehand.
Secondly, Person X paid for all the scrolls by himself and took the risk by himself.

 

yes, i host most of my HT runs and whenever I find a decent sellable weapon, I announce it to the party and include them in the splits. I would expect the same of any other host if I'm running with them and if they don't mention anything but I see a usable lvl 110 weapon i'd obviously inquire about it

 

I agree it wasn't discussed beforehand but lets say X had the scrolls on himself in the HT run and scrolled it there would it be any different? After him saying "lemme scroll it" right after I announce the item does it sound like he is offering his scrolls to the item as a PARTY or for personal gain?

 

Everyone is buddy buddy until money comes into play!

But yeah split that shit.

 

But that risk wasn't his own but the party's that gained the item together through team effort before entrusting it to him. Ideally, he could have included the scroll expense when splitting the income after selling the scrolled spear.

When I was in the same situation months ago, I scrolled the faltizan to 130 att and sold it to give equal splits to everyone that was in the squad. I didn't even include the expense of scrolls because I volunteered to do it for the sake of the party.

This X person in scenario looks like he succumbed to greed when he saw the unexpected outcome.

 

Now you know who not to run with.

 

You all deserve split from clean price~

Edit: CHANGED MY MIND walao

 

Split minus the price of the scrolls. The individual took no personal risk in scrolling the spear, the only personal investment he contributed was the purchase of the scrolls which should fairly be compensated for.

 

I agree with this

 

Why would the party be risking their split versus nothing? If the scroll fails, he is not paying for the split, therefore, they either get paid for the split of the clean item if it works, or lose it to a boom.

How do each of you arrive to this?

Edit: For the record, i'm not involved with the party, this is completely unbiased.