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Looking at this from the side, this is what finally made me react.
The way you phrased things says a lot. In life, a lot can be learned from the way someone handles a misunderstanding, and this did not look good. Regarding the post itself: if I were Esve, I probably would not respond to an accusation that is backed by zero evidence. I hope you understand by now that the screenshots you provided do not support your claim. If anything, they work against it. That said, I hope he chooses to answer, explain, and hopefully turn you into an even bigger dumdum. Autumn and I, as the co-founders of Whiskers, a guild that has become known for having one of the strongest friendly communities around, will gladly kick anyone who even thinks about scamming or breaking ToS. But if you want something handled seriously, you need to know how to reach out and phrase yourself properly.

And what feels especially awkward is that you were apparently unable to take a full screenshot of the relevant “scam” you are accusing someone of, but you were able to take a fullscreen screenshot of your ChatGPT history.

We all enjoyed it.

 

To all parties who are concerned with Esve's reputation,
I still have not recieved a single meso from my 116m.

Doesn't fact speak for itself?

 

The problem is there is not a single shred of evidence in your report ( in my eyes)

screenshot 1 only shows you whispering 1 other person if he received his split and that you are ignored by someone.

screesnhot 2 does shoes a pt and a responce but not a single transaction or deal.

For future reference please make sure to collect good evidence about the deal being made, the party list being visible + server time, evidence of who is selling the book and how he or she will send the split ETC.

 

No, that fact does not speak for itself. Because as far as the community is concerned, that is not a verified fact. Personally, what I find more suspicious than the lack of sufficient evidence itself is the fact that supporting evidence is still reasonably obtainable. You claimed in your original report that since the three days (now approximately four days) in which the incident occurred, Esve "always happened to be afk" which to you "seemed highly unlikely since he is moving maps and changing channels." So why don't you have any screenshots to support this accusation? Why didn't you provide any evidence of you reaching out to this player in your initial report? Why haven't you continued to reach out to Esve for a resolution since your initial report, so that you can at least provide screenshots of your attempts as supporting evidence for your claim? Instead, you provided a screenshot of a different player confirming that they received their splits from Esve, which I just find confusing...

And to be clear, I do not know who Esve is and what guild he's a part of.

 

There's nothing we can do to help you solve this on the blacklist unless proper evidence is provided.
Keep reaching out to Esve. Or you can try reaching out to Esve's guild leader to see if they can help mediating the situation.
Respectfully, this is going nowhere and you're just being rude to people that are trying to help you out here, so let's not continue discussing this unless you bring actual evidence of Esve's wrong doings.

 

Look at it from the other side mate. Some rando you ran zak with one time claims on a public forum you scammed them out of 120m. Provides evidence that are photos of photos, one of which another runner confirms you did in fact pay them and you weren't wasted off your mind when you sent out the splits. This rando goes on to not know who Duey is, mistaking them for the IGN of a player going around delivering loots to everyone. Do you:
1. Ask for some additional evidence that this players did not just denying the delivery accidentally, or
2. Give in for no good reason and give up your own share of the splits

All the while this rando is slandering your whole guild, insinuating your friends within the guild apparently has zero integrity despite all being grown ass adults, for a measly 120m. But don't worry, they are a lone wolf so..."trust me bro" is the one and only truth here.

Actually, Lastchance, I am willing to make you an offer here, ironically this is probably your last chance at resolving this amicably. Quite frankly I think this is much more than what you deserve given the circumstances, but I will entertain it. Since you are sure you didn't receive anything from Duey but there has been confirmation from another runner the payment is from Duey, 1 of 2 things is possible here.
1. Your split was never sent
2. You accidentally denied the package in which case the mesos would be deleted

Submit a character issue stating that you are missing a Duey package between the date of the Zak run and today, totaling approximately 116m. If the admins respond with anything that resembles "you did not receive a package within that time frame", I will personally pay you the split. I will even index the amount on a monthly basis with a cap of 16 months at 5% per month (max payout at 250m for a response at 16 months). After 16 months, I will assume this is not worth the effort for admins' time, though I would doubt that since they've even looked into a single 60% ring for dex scroll before.

I don't foresee any other appropriate way for either side to resolve this unless there is some major changes in robust evidence on either side.

And even though I am going to reveal that I am part of Whiskers too, I think you would be wise to ponder on what I am about to say next. Take the offer and drop this. This has gone on for almost a day with barely any real progress on each side. There is such a thing called an own goal and with your IGN so clearly visible in your "evidence", your attitude in general here could prevent you from joining further content. Let's face it, everyone here loves to bring out the popcorn and read about drama, but as soon as they are part of the drama, that popcorn turns stale fast.

I look forward to an official response and paying you up to 250m mesos if my guild mate has indeed made a human error in this instance.

my take here does not represent the views of the guild, the mesos is coming out of my personal wealth

 

Thanks for the suggestion Shira. We are trying to solve this issue between mutual friends.
It sucks that I lack the formal evidence, but I would never "lie" on such claim, as many of his guildies are implying here.
At this point it's not about the mesos, but respect and decency.

Hey man, thanks for the shout out.
Please note that I don't need reimbursment from anyone. Especially not on the payment plan.

As for Huey and Human Error part, He could have easily told me to check Huey when we were grinding on BW for 60 minutes (that bw run was 3 days after the zak run), instead of ignoring me then ghosting me afterwards.
At the end of the day, my only point was that I was denied my split, slapped on the face with ignorance and smug face.

Lastly, I want to ask everyone to read all my comments with stillness of mind and try to see how most people are brainlessly following the populars/ the dignitaries by isolating and shunning someone like me who is wronged .
It looks like you have now warned me that people will deny me from the contents if I go against you bunch. Won't work like that , friend.

 

Ok, i have been told by the intermediary party that upon talking to Esve, he had indeed confirmed that he send it through Huevy. I wonder why he's not directly telling me that.
This guys is clearly being either an ass or a scammer.

Now I am taking this to the admins for review, but doubt it will be couple of weeks to months for response...
Until then let's keep it at that folks.

The party is over.

See you once I get response from the admins.

 

Ok maybe i responded a bit too fast to Dave.
Its cause i was irritated by all these guys goi g at me at the same time (and you gave me a warning point last time )
Then i thought maybe he is willing to expedite the process.
I would address to Matt.

 

I see you pulled a trick on me Dave.
You knew well you can't reach out directly to a particular admin.
Instead of trying to leave it at that as i said, you wanted to have that last say to make joke out of me and stir further drama. Look what you have done.
I want you to delete all posts following the one i quoted
We will follow up from there once i get response from admin report.

 

You are absolutely insufferable at this point. Cool off and do not respond here any further unless absolutely necessary. Dave simply asked a question. You absolutely can reach out to particular admin through DMs if you have at least 50 forum posts (Note that you shouldn't DM admins directly in most cases, though). You can also make help posts and request a specific admin to look into your case if you prefer one admin over another for whatever reason.

 

Esve actually told me he sent a Duey to all party members and you reached out during a bw run but he suggested you guys talk afterwards - and you apparently signed off right when it ended. I actually recall chatting with him a bit after that run where he said it was really slow (so it makes sense he wouldn't be willing to get into a full conversation mid run)
As BloodRse had mentioned, I tend to believe the scenario where you accidentally denied the package in which case the mesos would be deleted.
Idk if staff would be willing to look into that but I have zero reason to believe it wasn't sent or that there was any foul play even if there's the slightest chance he somehow forgot you when sending the packages.

Feature request: duey audit log

 

Thanks Dave for stepping in as the forum janitor again. And thanks to Heidi as well.
GMs intervening should be kept to a minimum since this list is community driven, but sometimes it's necessary since I lack the privileges to remove unnecessary and/or harmful posts.

Reminder: The blacklist is your last resort. Always try to solve the situation in other ways first. Be it through communication with the people involved or a regular abuse report if necessary.

I also received a private message from lastchance, which was essentially just more of the same complaints they posted publicly in the thread. I am open for private messages if necessary, but try to keep blacklist matters here in this thread as much as possible.