The question is, can a really funded pure luck one match the damage of an average+ dexless with a craven. The situation is this: In order to equip the RC, dexless NLs are taking equipment scrolled for dex.. like bottom, zh, earrings, face and eye acc, rings etc.. But what if some1 creates a 77atk skanda, 50luk robe, cs a luk mapleLeaf into 20+ and cs a 21 or 22 luk Zh into 35+, uses luk earrings and basically does not care about dex at all and get as much luk as he possibly can.. If im not mistaken, 1att equals to 3~5 luk? If so, Lets see the advantage: ->Really good scrolled top gives like about 30luk? With the bottom(+8) let's say it will end up at about 40. (-10luk from a perfect robe) ->Bonus of 20 luk (at least) from the mapleLeaf over the non pure luk sins. (If the RC NL is really funded, he might use a luk one too, but scrolled for dex.. so -10 to the RC users instead of 20) ->Bonus of 15 (or even more) luk over the RC NL from the earrings. ->Zh with around 35 Luk (cs scrolled) will provide a bonus of about 10~14 luk over the dex scrolled zhlms. ->Rc will have higher luk than the Skanda, about 6 luk higher on avg. So that's an advantage to the RC ones. ->Belts and rings can be scrolled for luk instead of dex. Lets say about bonus of 10luk over the RC users. Total luk over the RC NLs: around 50. Which means at least 10att. This takes the atk gap between the Skanda and the Rc from 14 to 4. Will it match a NL with around 85att RC? I still do not think it will be stronger than one with a perfect RC, but it might get kinda close.. Thoughts..?
You can use pyrope skanda and try get 81 atk, with the godly luk gear you said you could probably match an NL with perfect rc (with a godly 8 atk mon you could be on par with an average 95 atk sleeve user maybe) but I don't think it's really worth the cost to get all these perfect luk stuff (and also you can CS and get both dex and luk on ear/face/eye/ring etc). 50 Luk bathrobe is also really difficult to get since it's perfecting 10 slots.
Thanks for your fast answer. I thought about the option of csing and getting both luk and dex, but as I mentioned, I compared to a decent funded RC NL and not to an extremely funded one. Which means he probably won't cs zh or mleaf and just scroll it for dex. Also, the odds of getting a bonus of luk and dex on every cs you scroll are really low.. that's the reason I did not include a perfect pyrope weapon - because its almost unrealistic to get too.. People can claim that the dex also adds to range (X dex equals to 1 att), so its not a gain of 10att as I mentioned, but less.. But, the formula of L7 or TT does not include dex.. only att and luk. Which means dex can really be ignored.
yeah sure you can go 25 base dex all the way. It's gonna be much more expensive however. That 50 luk robe is gonna cost you way more than a random 60 stats total top/btm. Cs-ing zhelm is also going to cost much more than scrolling dex on it. That 20 luk maple leaf too lol. If you could scroll a 20 luk leaf easily, you should try scrolling a 18+att bfc too. So you are looking at spending exponentially more for about the same dmg or less. Not saying that it isn't viable, it's just a playstyle, so if you really wanna go for it, why not?
i have thought about the same question too, but realistically speaking: 140/150 dex is achievable easily even with luk-first based eq set. (luk face, luk eye, luk rings, luk earrings, luk belt) so dex req advantage from pyrope claw over the extra attacks from DPS/RC can safely be considered nonexistent.
With similar funding, there is no way pureluk can have higher attack range than dexless. To wield a craven with 25 dex, you need to have +115 from eq. 22 dex zhelm + 10 60% = 42 dex 15 dex earring 8 dex krex 28 dex htp 9 dex belt (dojo +3 100%) 7 dex pirate bottom + 7 60% = 21 dex These give you +124 dex, just take away some and they'd be way cheaper. Havent included ~7 dex from eye, ~9 top, ~4 ROA, etc You'll still retain quite a substantial amount of luk from top ~23, belt~6, ring~8, helm~22, etc Ultimately I doubt with similar funding pureluk can be comparable to dexless' damage. With maybe 2x more funding, then yes it is comparable.
Yea ofc with similar funding the dexless is stronger. But I said in my post from the start:"can a really funded pure luck one match the damage of an average+ dexless". I just like to play it that way, doesn't really matter how long would it take to do so.. theres to rush. And also I got my answer that it is possible.. so I think of closing the discussion... Thanks for you and everyone else who shared his/her opinion! Have a nice day.
Remember damage range shown for nls =/= damage output because of tt's damage forumula: [(luk*5)*Wa)]/100 for max [(luk*2.5)*Wa)]/100 for min. Factor in the final 150% when it's maxed, you should be able to have a better idea
True, that's why I don't care about dex or range.. it's completely ignored by the formula.. If I can get as much luk as I possibly can, and as much atk with it (like godly mon instead of htp), it should be better than all this dex...
