Further clarification regarding ownership of bosses

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    Recently, I've noticed many BF's being pre-killed halfway. For the record, I saw 4-5 BFs with their HP significantly lowered today. The ~mapowner command also showed that I was the map owner, implying that the original BF killer had been away for more than 3 minutes. I believe that the BF killer could not have DCed because (1) there was no lag on the server at that time and (2) there are too many BFs with their HP lowered for it to be a coincidence.

    It has come to my knowledge that certain individuals are lowering the HP of these BFs, leaving them to find more, and killing them only when they have swept across the easier BF maps. This ensures that the individual will have ownership of most of the BFs. As a regular BFer, I know that for a fact that most BFers, including me, will leave the BF alone as respect towards the other players. However, the actions of these individuals jeopardises the understanding BFers have with each other.

    As according to recent postings in forums, it seems there has not been any definite clarification as to whether another BFer would be considered KSing if they were to take the BF. Hence, I would like further clarification from the GMs.

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    "As according to recent postings in forums, it seems there has not been any definite clarification as to whether another BFer would be considered KSing if they were to take the BF. Hence, I would like further clarification from the GMs."

    I'd also like to add that half a BF also gives half the xp. As most BFers xp relies on how many BFs you can find, and not how much BF HP you can deplete, this effectively halves your xp. All in all its just a dick move to leave halfkilled BF's.
     
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    If there's nobody in the map or actively attacking it, then kill it if you want. But as Zoink says, you won't get much EXP from a 90% killed boss. The unwritten rule of not killing prekilled bosses is just something the community would have to manage themselves, and not something that we the staff would want to have to police.
     
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    For the record too, most people do whats called "turbo" with another person- meaning two people party, both take a separate channel and lower the boss's hp down. When one is ready to be killed they cc or go to that map, kill it and get leech exp, and then return to the one they were on.

    Plus, people do die. Bigfoot hits hard and not everyone is tanky, mistakes happen. I've died a few times trying to solo Bigfoot and sometimes it does take 3 minutes to get back on the map....especially because I get Lost easily.
    It's no official rule but it's etiquette. If a boss is half killed, leave it and just find another. You don't get full exp from it anyway.
     
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    I personally had one partially killed while the character I was leeching wasn't there yet, but told a couple people the locations of full HP BFs if I saw them looking. Minus mine, I did see a few when I was scoping out the Twisted Paths maps. I apologize for any inconvenience that mine may have caused.
     
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    What if it's a case of intentionally halfing say 4 BFs just so you can call dibs on it whilst you take your time to finish them of as people would naturally assume that it's taken and leave to find other BFs?
     
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    It seems that you did not get my meaning. I shall clarify myself further.

    Yes, I do this too. However, I highly doubt that the individual who CC's would take more than 3 minutes. The BF's HP would've been significantly lowered, such that I'd only take <10 hits to kill it. The only exception otherwise would be that, one individual CC's DC and requires more time to come back online.

    I wouldn't over generalize here. I believe most regular BFers know their way through all the crossroads - and it doesn't take more than 3 minutes to walk 5 maps.

    I know.

    And to quote myself,
    And to be even more specific...

    Yes, I've heard individuals saying they are killing x number of BFs at a time, which prompted this thread.

    I apologize for not being specific enough in my first post. Hopefully this will clear up some matters in your mind :)
     
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    iirc, sources offer a poor implementation of bossing and exp distribution. Mainly because this is not a big concern in most small servers, and because the matter is reasonable tricky.
    • The source keeps no reference to party formations during the bossfight. This means that if you join the party at the very end, you still get the same amount of EXP as if you were there the whole time. Not sure if this is wrong, or actually the way it's intended.
      I do realise that changing this would require more work than it's actually worth. Also, this change would affect they way leech is currently done, so you'd need heat protective gear to withstand the flaming this would cause.
    • Currently you're able to prepare your Bigfoot to kill it at a later point with no penalty of EXP loss. While killing a low HP Bigfoot may be rude, I also think the progress of lowering it's HP and leaving it there is rude. The person doing this doesn't only affect the person that finds the low HP Bigfoot, but it also affects the respawn times.
      Maybe there should be a preset amount of time to when you're not attacking, your old damage data is erased (or lowered), so you get an EXP penalty for this. I believe this suggestion is more balanced than the first remark, and would only affect the preparing of Bosses, if the preset time is chosen correctly (like 30 minutes untill penalized).
    I think this could bring a solution for bossing rather than more rules about it.
     
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