Gachapon level cap

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    Can we go back to letting players lower than 50 use gachapon? That was the only gachapon revamp that wasn't undone with the wipe.

    I'm still plugging along, voting every day and saving NX, and someone poking along like I am could conceivablely just do a gigantic run of hundreds of tickets at 50.
     
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    It's to keep people from vote gacha abusing, but I guess since we are 4x, a level 30 level cap would be fine.
     
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    I'd like to suggest that the level required to use gachapon is changed from 50 to 30.

    With the current experience rates, getting to level 30 requires more effort than it did pre-wipe, and I can see Jen's point about the slow progress of certain job classes in getting to level 50, especially for those like her who have had a very offputting experience with CPQ.

    The reason I suggest lvl 30 rather than removing the level limit is to deter vote abusers.

    EDIT: Ninja'd, lol!
     
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    I agree but only because I bought a bunch of tickets on a mule not knowing I had to be 50. And they are not tradeable. So I have to get a mule to 50 to use them. I don't like that.
     
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    I really don't get what you guys mean by vote abusers. What is there to abuse? Would you say that someone voting everyday as being a vote abuser? Cause I don't think they are. I'd say they are quite dedicated members. If you are stating that in the event of abusing the voting system as in exploiting the system, then a check should be placed in the voting system to see if the account has already voted or not, and the IP that the vote was done at. If the account has already voted or IP has already voted, then make them wait 24 hours before the next vote.
     
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    You can change your IP.. And multi vote..
     
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    You can have multiple accounts and multi IPs...
     
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    I didn't realize that the IP made a difference. I just assumed that you type the account name and that's how it was tracked.

    Shows what I know.
     
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    Then place a check on multiple accounts.
     
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    You are allowed to have multiple accounts on this server, so there is no way to prevent this.
     
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    You could limit down the number of multiple accounts, and limit if the IP has voted.
     
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    There's no need to do that.
     
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    That's only possible if you assume everyone has just one unchangeable IP address. Which would be a false assumption.

    Someone with technical knowledge can easily change their IP address. Hell, someone with ZERO technical knowledge can do so if they're willing to spend a little money. You could walk into an AT&T cellular store and buy a device and a data plan that will allow you to do this.

    Personally I think the level 50 requirement for gacha is brilliant. It discourages creation of large number of mule accounts for farming gacha tickets. I'm assuming that the people complaining here are doing just that, and don't wanna spend time to level their mules?

    Also in the pre-wipe 10x server, level 50 was basically nothing. You could go from level 1 to 50 in a day, and it wouldn't even be a busy day. I believe a high-rank bishop was bragging that she made a pirate named Arya or something and got 3rd job in less than one day?

    Now in the new 4x server, the level 50 requirement finally has some teeth. I say leave it alone!
     
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    Yes, someone with the knowledge is capable of changing their IP address. But you could also compare a MAC address as well. Besides that, what you are mentioning is a bit impossible to prevent. I mean, you can't cover every single "hole or exploit". Let's face it, the server is already in quite an exploitable state. Once someone votes twice or more, they'll have enough for a few Gachapon tickets. If they get some nice items, they could dupe it and destroy the economy.
     
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    You can vote on other computers, on your school computer, on your iphone.
     
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    First, you can't get the MAC address from a PHP script. Second, as far as we're aware, we've patched all of the exploits that had allowed for an item to be duped. If you know of any, you should be informing the staff so that we can patch it.
     
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    I do that but only do once a day because it never occurred to me to do otherwise. :p
     
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    Yes, the reason for the level requirement is to discourage users to attempt to create multiple accounts to abuse the vote system by voting on multiple accounts. In most cases the users are flagged up and end up being permanently banned before even reaching level 50. This lowers the chance of unfairly obtained items getting into the market and the users unfairly gaining profit from the NX for voting system.

    I do not think the level cap should be decreased to 30. The items that gachapon gives are only really useful for levels 50 and above anyway. So I do not really see any benefit of being able to use gachapon prior to this level requirement.
     
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    It's illegal for children to gamble! <<<<---------
     

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