I have read some posts in the forum about this topic and I have some personal opinions to express. I would like to say hp washing is indeed unfriendly to me. Some players say it is a "you do you" thing which means you select hp washing and leech if you wanna have a competitive character and you can select not to do so but still enjoy yourself without a competitive character. Some adminitrators also agree with that. I assume 70%(just a assumption) of the players wanna have a competitive character and you have to do hp washing and leeching if you wanna achive that. That means 70% of the players have to do hp washing and leeching. I can accept that you have to put some time into the game(for example, spend some time leveling, spend some time gathering equips) if you wanna have a competitive character but I can't accept that in ways of hp washing. Hp washing is not healthy beacause I have to play bishop to sell leech to earn money to buy leech and ap resets which means 70% of the players have to have a bishop character but many of them don't like bishop, it is not healthy to a server who wants its player enjoy their gaming. Hp washing should not be the most popular ways of creating a competitive character instead of equipment and other elements. "You do you" opinion is ok for individual but it is not ok for the entire players group and the server.
This has been brought up countless times and any ideas to change the system get shot down, but i completely agree. Everybody is hoping for pinkbean to get added and nobody wants to be forced to start over when it does. Also nobody wants to play a character that doesn't feel like their own creation because they just leeched their way up. HP washing is just glitch abuse and also pay to win, two things the server claims to be against, but sadly, don't expect things to change.
First off, hp washing is not mandatory by any means, the amount of threads on the forums regarding hp washing is doing more harm than good because it's adding unnecessary pressure to people like you into thinking "I definitely need to hp wash or else I'm screwed." It's not. When I first started playing, hp washing wasn't a hot topic and I didn't know about it until I was 100+ on my nl. Even after finding out I didn't care about it because I was able to do every boss just fine, I never once regretted not washing. Anyways, hp washing is indeed beginner unfriendly but that's because it's not meant for new players. The same reason why a new player shouldn't be aiming for 8k range on their first nl, you shouldn't be worrying about washing like a madman. There's no denying that making a bishop first helps tremendously towards washing your character but it's 100% doable without a bishop, it's just more difficult. That's probably the biggest misconception about hp washing, that you need to make a bishop first to make it work. I won't give you stories of people who've washed up to 10k+ hp on their first character without making a bishop to fund them but just know that it's possible. If you don't want to make a bishop then don't, why force yourself to play something you don't like, you'll just end up hating the game. Think about why you want to wash your character in the first place, to be able to safely kill bosses and have fun right? But if you have to sacrifice your time and fun over just preparing your character then is that really worth it? Are you sure you're not gonna be burnt out by the time you're done washing? How long do you plan on playing the game after you're done washing? Maybe it's better if you just played the game normally without having to worry about washing but that's for you to decide. To touch on pink bean a little I'm gonna quote my post from another thread Although there's no certainty that pb will ever come out, if it does, hp washing would be just 1 of many problems. We could duplicate our top nl 30 times, all with 30k hp and it still wouldn't be enough to kill pb. What I'm trying to say is if your hp goal is for pb, in hopes that it'll 1 day come out and you'll be able to kill it because you have enough hp then you're delusional and might want to reconsider your expectations to something reasonable.
That's very subjective. I personally hate levelling up any class other than a mage during 1st-3rd jobs so I just end up making a bishop and leeching. Hp washing isn't a glitch. It's just an incredibly flawed system (in my opinion). Also, how exactly is it pay2win? Nothing about hp washing is pay2win. Hp washing will never be removed from royals afaik. If it was ever removed there would have to be a wipe. Another thing that will never happen on royals afaik. I also want to point out that Matt said that if PB was released it would not require hp washing. Of course it would be much easier if you have hp washed. But it will not be a requirement.
Hi I won't say hp washing is necessary but you have to realize that players tend to hp washing if they want to have a competive character, which results many players doing hp washing. It is not about the individual, it is about the entire player group and the entire gaming environment. Does that means a competitive NL is not for everyone? If I am a new player and I just want a competitive NL then I have to make a character that I don't like at all to fund. If so, I have to say it is totally unfair and unfriendly because you prevent me from enjoying the character given that competiveness is also some kind of source of happiness.
We should post some questionares. One about what percentage of players don't have any hp washing characters. The other one about what percentage of players don't have and don't plan to have any hp washing characters.
And what would that questionnaire prove exactly? If 90% of people answer with yes they did wash does that mean you have to? If you make another questionnaire asking what's your favorite class and the majority answer with nl does that mean you're gonna make a nl because everyone else likes them? Not really sure what you're trying to say sorry but my post was just a general statement. If your idea of fun is competing against other players through means of hp washing then by all means do it, but from reading your post I thought you hated the idea of it. You're saying you have to make a bishop first in order to have a competitive character when in reality that's not true whatsoever. I should've left it at that because we clearly have different approaches to the game. I don't care whatsoever about competition so it's easy for me to say washing is not big deal but competition matters to you. I will, say if you're constantly comparing yourself to others you'll never be truly content because there'll always be someone out there who's better than you. No one is stopping you from enjoying the game but yourself. If you find making a bishop to self leech boring and unhealthy then don't do it, but if you still feel that you have to despite me saying you don't need to then you can't really blame anyone but yourself can you?
If you dont like the "meta" the server has i suggest you should find another one honestly because i highly doubt that leeching and hp washing is going to be changed on royals ever, due to the fact that it was part of the game back in the day even though most players were way to nooby to get to that point in the game, and the server is based on a kind of pristine version of old maple, with a few things that help the quality of life for players. e.g (map owner and the FM warp button and so on.) i have no idea how you can consider this glitch abuse, it was in original maple so, its not. Also how is it pay to win, you aren't paying any form of real currency to gain anything basically, sure you get a higher HP pool and that is it, no damage/stats buff. As mouthbreather and multiple people will tell you, you do not have to HP wash from level 1, you can self sufficiently hp wash easily, if you want to. And if you don't know how to fund yourself there are multiple guides around the forums, and multiple people who will be willing to tell you/help you to do it. If your goal is to have a character that is HP washed to boss, you will have to work for it like everyone else did, if it takes making a bishop/mage to help farm the money to do it, then so be it i guess. From the look of it most people don't seem to mind that, or every second character you see walk passed you wouldn't be a bishop.
On a server where nx is free obviously nothing is litterally pay to win. But hp washing requires nx to give you advantages just like that potential/cube crap, so many would consider it a pay to win mechanic. And if it's not a glitch it's an exploit. I hate how i get pulled into conversations like this that change nothing...
Everyone gets the same amount of nx each? No one has an advantage of getting more than anyone else, you can't buy nx u can only vote for it, or it drops randomly from bosses. I still don't see how it's p2w if EVERYONE has the opportunity to vote for it daily, not a single person is missing out on it. Nx was p2w on original maple because you had to pay for it, but here everyone has the luxury to get it daily, so it's not.
That doesn't mean I have to do so but it does mean that 90% of players want to have a competive character and they choose hp wahsing to achive that, which reflects the entire gaming environment is some kind of polluted by hp washing and leeching. Let me just take GMS as an example, I assume that pay to win is something that we hate about GMS. As you say, GMS also offers different approaches to the game, you can still just pay nothing if you don't want to win or you can still win without paying only if you are lucky enough. Then why we hate GMS? Because when 90% of the players regard paying as the most popular way to have a competitive character, the whole environment is terrible and unhealthy and unfair. Let's look back at the Royals, hp washing isn't the only approaches to the game, you can enjoy yourself without hp washing but what we will think if 90% of the players choose hp washing and leeching. Are these two case similar? That's not correct. Just like a sports game, someone just enjoy the process of competing with someone. And just like an artist, someone just want their character to be perfect. No, you can buy that with money and I have seen many trade of real money under the table. And you know why people need nx cash so much? It's ap resets. And why people need ap resets so much? It's hp washing. And how to get ap resets fast? It's the money. It's nevitable though the administrator have put so much work into that because where there is demand, there is the market. However, I do like this server and I just want it to be better and I truly thank all the staff's work. I don't mean offense, it's just a feedback.
Exactly , you can't legally buy it for real money as it is against the T&C ,so the server itself doesn't offer pay to win aspects, the community breaking the T&C does by vote abusing and RWT. Just because people are RWT'ing doesn't mean the server itself is p2w because it's not.
I don't know if you've realised that buying anything here for real money is against the t&c and you will be banned for it. Hence its not pay2win. (getting banned=/=winning) edit: In my opinion hp washing is not something you have to do to be able to compete you can compete within different areas of the game. For example you can try and get the best gear/best damage range you could compete in highest level/fastest leveling or making the most mesos/scrolling most profitable items. I would also like to point out that you don't have to compete with everyone on the server just to be able to compete why not just find some other new players who wants to compete with you? This is what I did for the longest time untill i finally started to catch up with the current top players in some areas of the game. edit2: there was once a thread where you could show off your hp washed characters no one has posted in that thread for ages, that should tell you something about how competative people are within this certain area of the game.
Agree with that, I won't say this server is pay to win. I just wanna say that hp washing and leeching is some kind of stimulating trading with money.
If you are like me, who is looking for a classical experience of progressing your character in a traditional way, unfortunately Royals might not be the right server for you. As many people have pointed out, Royals does allow players to play pretty much in any way they like. If you enjoy leveling through training in parties, you are free to do so; if you like party questing, all the major party quests are available (kpq, lpq, lmpq, opq, ppq... etc). Leeching is not mandatory and neither is HP washing. However, if you do choose not to follow this conventional way of playing Royals, you'll find yourself on the side of minority and potentially placing yourself in a disadvantage for end game. In Royals, leeching is a very efficient way to level and fund your character. With leeching, you can equip your character with INT items and not having to swap them every time you level. Leeching also makes it possible for attacking classes to have a high base INT early on, which makes HP washing a lot easier. With all these benefits, it is not hard to see why most players prefer to leech their characters with a bishop or mage. Because of this, in end game you are better off to have a hp-washed attacker since you cannot always guarantee your group will have a Dark Knight to Hyper Body. Again, it is silly not to HP wash because it increases your chances of survival and there's no drawback apart from the cost. I think leeching is incredibly boring. I also hate spending billions on INT gears and AP resets. But yea, quoting LonelyCloud, this is the "meta" in Royals so you either follow it or accept that you'll have a rough time in end game.
I like Royals and I am leveling my character all by myself in the traditional way and I don't do hp washing. I post this thread if not for my persnal reason, it is because I have seen so many players hp washing and leeching in this server which I don't think healthy. I am not sure if hp washing and leeching is the minority and I don't think you can confirm that. My worry will be solved if it is so.
Read my post again. I'm saying that HP washing and leeching is the majority, not minority. Basically I've played Royals for a almost a year and I feel the same way as you but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it.
