Improvement on Transparency

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  1. Zancks
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    Hello,
    Im wondering why the staff does not give us numbers for some changes they did lately despite saying they as a team wanna be more transparent.

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    1. Pianus respawn timer has been reduced
    2. Nx Droprate for Ellin bosses have been reduced

    Without those numbers it’s way harder to give actual feedback and have a good discussion.

    Id even like to see all boss‘ nx drop rates to be released because why not?^_^'

    What do you think? Id Love to get an official statement too. Thanks everyone!
     
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    I would love to see gacha rates and cs rates but thats just me :3
     
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    Item droprates have never really been disclosed, even when there are adjustments to droprates made.

    As for the Pianus respawn time, I did intend to release what the new respawn time was at a later date, but this may have been forgotten about ^_^'. The respawn time is 24 hours for Left Pianus and 16 hours for Right Pianus. I've updated the respawn time for Pianus in the All Bosses in MapleRoyals thread now.
     
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    I used to keep some spreadsheets of drop rates and time/meso ratio of certain things for myself. Got annoying as hell after a while just seeing things drop% patch after patch or from events. Why? No clue. I assume to fix inflation?

    Not gonna start talking Economics101 about a old mushroom game. But it generally really sucks when in a game, there is market manipulation or hidden changes.

    I'm imagining any other game going:

    Patch notes! We did like 2 good things! A bunch of things nobody wanted. And like 5 other things we won't tell you about. Have fun and keep voting.

    It wouldn't work out. But here it does lol
     
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    Drop rate changes are always mentioned in the update notes. We don't make hidden drop rate changes, with exception to rare occasions where we need to alter event droprates, where sometimes they may be too high or low a rate, and that is usually done shortly after the event going live.
     
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    What drives the decison to make those changes and what is the desired outcome?
    Are those goals reached?

    I'm specifically interested in CNY event drop rates if possible to answer.

    Wouldn't mind to also pick your brain a bit about the servers transparency as a whole. Is it enough, is it fine? And why?
     
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    Thanks for reaching out @Matt and releasing the pianus spawn times.

    As for the droprates I am only referring to nx, which shouldn’t be gamebreaking. There might be reasons not to do which I don’t see but the argument should not be: We never did it so we don’t do it now. If it’s still a big no for you to release actual droprates I wish you could’ve atleast added something like
    • Reduced the droprate of 5000 NX Cards from Chao and Ephenia by X %

    Also please take a look at this idea:
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/adding-new-etc-nx-card-amounts.188342/ By @smilinsphere

    i think a Full overhault for all nx Drops would be very exiting 0:)

    @GunzGaming i did keep track of the 5k droprates for Ellin bosses and pap with my friend @Ambax and I will show you where we are at now

    rates might be off though because we didn’t do enough runs yet




    Have a nice weekend everyone!:p
     
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    We did not wish to see as much of an NX influx as we had in past years' Lunar New Year events. Since events are merely a bonus on top of normal gameplay, we consider it less harmful to reduce the rewards, as long as they are not exclusive to that event.


    We do not want to disclose changes in droprate for the same reason that we do not wish to share absolute droprates, namely that we want to leave it up to players to discover collectively, and form the meta accordingly.
     
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    Also thanks to you @Joong!
    Although I can understand your point I hoped for different answer, but then again I can be a number nerd ^_^':X

    incase any1 wants to contribute and help me with my study send me a pm and we can talk about it

    Edit: Not gonna lie a nerf for Ellin bosses 5k was needed but it seems not really worth to go there anymore given the fact that the walk even with the teleportes is pretty annoying and often times you go home with 250nx and some milk

    a 2k nx card with the droprates of the old 5k‘s might be worth a shot
     
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    I really wish I was a part of these debates. I feel that the community should also have some sort of input regarding certain changes regarding the economics of the game. I understand that changes are made in a timely manner and with discussion amongst yourselves, but some outside perspective of the participating player base feels undervalued or undermined. Even though it could mean a longer process, engaging the community in such a change can have lasting impacts on the trust and happiness of the community.

    I'm very involved in economics and finance in real life, so having a little mushroom world where I can practice marketing and test theories is engaging and an aspect of MMOs I greatly enjoy. At multiple times throughout the years, I have felt completely disarmed from the effect of such changes. Some talk before these decisions would be appreciated, even if it is a change I disagree with.
     
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    imagine a mapleroyals staff podcast and having a community hotseat for discussions
    That would be so dope!
    Or let @Jimothy interview y‘all on his Talk with Jimothy yt series
     
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    This would be dope. I rmb this was considered a long time ago... if im not wrong. Like hosting a AMA on discord.. would be fun i think.. to engage more with the community.
     
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    I did this to some MapleLegends players and staff. I asked many questions and had an engaging conversation. I explained my motives and received valuable information that left me satisfied, but then disappointed with some MapleRoyals practices. I talked about this with some current GMs, and how it would benefit the community. When I used to stream, my friends and chat participants actively had these debates and it was awesome. So bringing it to a professional/scheduled capacity in the royals discord is something so worthwhile and if current staff could implement it, or at least get someone to do it outside of staff *cough cough* me *cough*. It can bring a source for entertainment and engagement simultaneously.
     
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    speaking of engaging the community, I think discussions are lacking out new player’s perspectives or opinions. I’m 100% sure everyone on staff is an experienced player from gms or even have years of experience on royals. correct me if I’m wrong though. Figuring out a way to engage new players, few months into maple, would provide much valuable insights to discussions.
     
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    Gm @Incentv tries to do this as much as he possibly can by targeting that player group in game. Personally, I got a lot of people to play royals from my twitch stream. But that's not allowed anymore. I noticed that a LARGE majority of those players don't play now. I only still know 2 playing, of the like ~40ish people I got to try royals. Based off of the conversations I've had with these new players, the major barrier of HP washing is what drove them away, amongst other smaller issues. Again, I feel that podcasts or streams of royals in the royals discord should be a thing. This engages people to connect and play.
     
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