LHC skills : Ninja storm/venomous star

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    Hello dear maplers,
    I pretty much had in my thoughts since the very beginning of LHC and decided to share them to you guys.
    As everybody is aware of, lionheart castle is a really awesome end-game training spot with alot of potential.
    Howhever, I think we can all agree that it is now mostly a melee content.
    As a main NL, finding a party for lhc is almost impossible if I don't run with buddies/guildies.
    The fact of the matter is that nls are simply not good at killing mobs.
    In my opinion, allowing nightlords to use Ninja storm, which works a little bit like rush so we can mob, as well as venomous star, which can poison monsters for a brief moment, might be a nice "solution". Please note that those skills work against every monsters, just not against bosses.
    I sincerely hope people won't start saying that it would be op, cause it wouldn't. Avenger skill really sucks to be honest. The dps is lower than any other mob skills, and it's the only one we got. Seriously I'm 18x now and any level 14x class whites me on mobs when using avenger.

    I'm just sharing my point of view on that specific training area. It is by far my favorite place to go when I'm playing and that tiny boost might just encourage people like me to join as nls or recruit them.
    ty :D
     
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    Perhaps you should provide your feedback in the already existing Allow NinjaStorm for NL in LHC. If you wish you can tag a forum mod to have your thread merged there.

    Agree with you there. I've said it before: there is no incentive to recruit an NL to LHC over a melee/SE. However, I will say we had a party with 5 melee and one NL and managed to get around 280m exp at bearwolves, so they are not that much of a handicap (although that quite different from our regular 300m+). However, perhaps this is just the way it should be?

    Also, it would be great if you provided the maths behind NL DPS in LHC (even if it's obvious). I don't think whiting is a great indicator of damage output. For example, shads absolutely shred in LHC, but you can easily be whited by other classes who have more focused damage skills without the long delay of Boomerang Step (in other words, shad DPS may be higher in total, but it's more spread out.) Then again, if you're getting whited with that level difference then I suppose there's something to be said. If anyone would like to do the calculations, you can assume that at least 3 mobs will be hit at all times, but it is very common to have groups of 4 on two platforms and 6 on a long, ground platform.

    From the looks of it, changing skills to work in LHC is tricky work (see the above linked discussion). For example, I would expect that enabling Venomous Star in LHC would mean enabling it for all boss mobs, as well as skills like Venomous Stab, which will make shads even more OP.
     
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    Oh seems that i've missed that thread! Thank you for pointing it out. Unfortunately I am not a maple geek like some pros out there so I wouldn't be able to make an accurate math here. As you mentioned, NLs are obviously weak in LHC and people don't even bother replying when I try to join their party. That makes me a little sad since I always saw LHC as a bossing alternative but nightlords are still stuck in the bossing meta. Some could say I chose the wrong class but I much prefer grinding over bossing, even as a nl. Anyway thanks for th reply!
     
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