Make DK become a MUST. No more HP Washing Needed <3

Hello guys
First of all, Sorry for my bad English ^^

I am so bored with HP Washing. Get leeching all the way to lvl 135 with tons of INT. No grinding. Hard to do PQ, Quests,....
Its so hard to join a Horntail Party if u are unwashed. HP Washing is really a standard for Bossing.

So, please make DK become more popular! By buffing them ofcourse. Make them become a MUST (like SE, we need ONE in a party to maximize Damage)
Ex:
1. Iron Will : Temporarily increases Damage , weapon and magic defense on every member of the party around the area.
Level 20: MP -24; Weapon def. +20, magic def. +20, Damage +20% for 300 seconds
OR
2. Hyper Body: Temporarily increases the Damage, Max HP and Max MP of all members of the party around the area.
Level 30: MP -60; Damage +20%, MaxHP +60%, MaxMP +60% for 300 seconds

(If Dmg 20%+ makes DK so strong. Lets nerf Berserk Dmg +200% -> ~+170%)

I believe when DK become a MUST, HP Washing is not a big thing. You can enjoy that game much more.
Just my 2cent
Happy mapling xD

 

xD

 

Plenty of drks around in my opinion, just look harder

 

hi DK here

 

hi DK who hates bossing cos im poor here LF>free pots

 

Whilst I agree that I would love for DK's to be more requested, it's not a huge issue. There are a TON of classes that are not exactly wanted bossing. Buccs, paladin, shadower, AM, just to name a few. Yet DK is still sometimes requested unlike the ones I mentioned. Whilst buffs are always welcome, a total of 40% damage buff is WAY TO OVERPOWERED.
The only thing I can think of is if maybe Iron Will could offer a party wide Power Stance effect. It is not overpowered, however is very convenient in bossing and could even help boost DPS by not having to constantly move and recast.

 

Dark Knight is already rated 3rd highest DPS in zak/HT with full buffs. Buffing drk damage won't relieve other classes from the burden of HP washing.

People will start bringing lvl 50 ish blood washed HB mule for iron will buff.

 

This comes back to solving the root cause of hp washing... This has been discussed many times on forums. Rip

 

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/theoretical-dps-chart-ranking.124709/ as far as I know this is the most current DPS chart. DK is definitely not 3rd highest.

As for the mule thing, people already do it with HS. I don't think many people would waste a zakum/HT slot just for a power stance effect and HB (since most people HP wash already anyways). At that point I think they would rather just have a DK as a whole and not a mule. It would even fill the need for needing a warrior. Same as people would prefer a bishop then a priest since bishop can offer more, but people do still use HS mules.

 

That chart is excluding every other factor like stun, knock back, dispel etc, as if you are hitting a wall that's never attacking you in return. It would be quite valid against anego, krex or Toad but in Zak/HT where magic attacks fly everywhere, I can assure you a skilled Drk will deal 3rd highest dmg after Sair & NL

 

why would anyone ever bring a hero if you need a drk?????

 

Maybe instead of suggesting a power stance effect, just change the current stats with Iron Will. Instead of flat defense, it can give %damage reduction. Maybe capping at 15-20%? DK is kind of a tankier class. It would help for the whole party and the DK while serking.

 

I like to party with Buccaneers (SI!) and Paladins (Heaven's Hammer and Total Crash) and Shadowers.... Shadowers are awesome to do Zak with. But I don't believe Shadowers exist (at least I've never seen one...)

20% boost on each of those skills would result in a 44% boost in damage overall, aint I right? (1.2 x 1.2 = 1.44)
Anyway, I don't think this is about the numbers. It's just an idea OP had, and the numbers are just thrown out there.

This idea is pretty interesting, but

so yeah, it's kind of too overpowered for a 2nd job skill. Also, who needs Stance? As far as I know, it's just Bowmen and Corsair?

This idea is interesting. If not damage reducting (Achilles copycat) then it could boost player's Weapon Defense by a certain number (100%?) making the Weapon Defense stat at least a tiny bit useful. This would benefit warriors more than ranged classes, though.

Also, I should add to this discussion that a lot of people actually need HB for Wulin Yaoseng. Also, he has so low touch damage that DKs can easily Berserk the whole time. Who in their right mind would NOT bring a DK to this boss?
So maybe the discussion about DKs per se not being useful is unnecessary - other classes are less useful.
But the discussion about HB and HP washing is always interested, yet never-ending.

 

I figured the stance could maybe be something like 40%? I don't know, just thinking of random things that could fit. I know the damage reduction would of course be copying achilles, but it's something that could lighten the load for the need to HP wash (maybe?). I feel a % increase in the defense statuses would still be sub-par.
I'm not saying that DKs are made to be unnecessary due to HP washing, or even that they need a buff at all. Half the time I feel at this point people go so heavy into HP washing mainly because of some type of perfection status. The need for HP washing is already heavily alleviated by HB. Everyone could just max out to 18750 HP, then have a DK during bosses to get that 30k. I don't know, it's a matter of choice. I think people make a much bigger deal out of HP washing then it really is IMO.

 

I think I agree completely with this. It's a mindset, and for some people, it's just easier to leave the DK out. Since some a such high HP, others feel like it's a goal worth striving towards and it becomes some kind of law "you have to HP Wash". The truth is, many people would be fine with just HB + a bit of washing for the extreme bosses.

 

My main issue has become this: If you are not perfectly HP washed, many believe that overall you are sub-par funded. That UNLESS YOU HAVE 30K HP, you must not be funded at all, weak, and not worth bringing on bossing runs. That's why I hate that many people smega for someone to join zakum/HT, but they want you to be at a certain amount of HP, a certain class and have good range. Whatever happened to just having fun and bossing with randoms? I understand people want fast runs but that is something you can coordinate with friends or guildies. If you're gonna smega for someone to join, don't be so nitpicky.

This is one of the issues I find with Royals. That many feel like you HAVE to be a certain class, that you HAVE to be funded, and that you HAVE to HP wash. Otherwise, people just won't play with you.

 

If knock back and stun is included then a Hero at Zakum would have more of an advantage at arms and body. Still, I see more people needing Drk's for Toad and Wulan than Hero's overall. In the end I think HB is still making Drk's the most popular and useful of the Warrior's.

 

That's an interesting opinion, Tien. While I agree that HP washing can be tedious and strenuous for players who don't have much spare time to play, I want to express some of my opinions here:
+ Even if Iron Will/ HB/ ... get % damage buff, some players may favour making a HB mule (including myself) over playing the DrK itself. Then it'd make no different than before other than getting some extra damage.
+ While HP washing can be tedious and strenuous for players who don't have much time to spare, they can still enjoy bossing such as zakum, krexel, papulatus, ... HP washing isn't a must right now, especially with the HP boost from new update.
+ And of course, some of the classes are not balanced enough such as Buccaneer, Paladin, Shadower, those that can easily go HT without little to no HP washing but still not too well-known in HT-parties.
In conclusion, I think that making DrK is a must is not really necessary. I believe making all classes balancing may relieve some burden of the Hp washing since people can move onto classes that can naturally tank power boss without washing too much/at all.

I'm looking forward to your replies.

 

Happy about so many replies xD
Ok, let me make my point clear

Yass Lexy. This is my point!


With SE, HB is a MUST for HT Bossing in old GMS, isn't it? But in here, MapleRoyals( a notalgic server?), HB is not a MUST. And ~10k HP without HB is a standard for any attacker!
So my point is
Let's make DK much more usefull in a Party (not for himself).
What we need most in a HornTail Party? DMG ( thats why SE is a must). So let DK have that ability: A Party Dmg Boost Buff!

I used "OR". That means Dmg 20%+ is enough! Yeah i know that DK is really strong with high DPS. So, just nerf Berserk Dmg to +170% >>>> +170% +20% = ~+200%. No different for soloing.

Yes @sparky95 @MSCastiell , it will definitely happen. But ... then we got HB in every Bossing Party. No more HP Washing needed. The root cause of hp washing is solved.
Or, another option. Dont buff 2nd job skill. Buff 4th job Skill ( Beholder, Aura Beholder, Hex Beholder,....). Same purpose: Make DK more usefull in Party!

Thx. Happy to see alot comments in that topic ^^

 

Hi. I must confess that I don't really understand much the point you're trying to make. May you please provide me your opinions or some facts so I can have a bit more insights?
Firstly, if to say I want to make a HB mule in this current version, will it eradicate the HP washing problems for me?
Secondly, If to say I want my unwashed BM to go toad with a HB mule, will it be possible with your "newly buffed DrK"?
Finally, if DrK were to have such great boost in damage in parties, do you think it will eclipse other war-job?
I'm looking forward to your replies.