Make Honey available for purchase from NPC

Honey is a potion that restores 30% of HP and MP. It already exists in the game, but it's hard to find since pot shops do not sell it.

Honey

Why do I even want this? Well, it's very useful for Dark Knights to maintain Berserk.

When NLC came out and the 40% pots became available, it was great because I had max berserk (40% HP to activate). Now when Zakum or whatever made your HP and MP 1, you could just eat the NLC pot and you're at 40% HP plus 1. From there it's just a quick slash blast away from being at max berserk HP.

Later they upped the Zerk threshhold to 50% and that was great, you could use pink elixir.

Now on this server, Zerk threshhold is 40%. However, berserk 30 is not available due to HT not working, so most anybody will have is level 20, which is 30% HP. Hence Honey is needed.

 

i was about to create a thread about this, but instead i will use this "graveyard" thread and start it up again.
so,
Honey (id: 2010005)
Max per slot: 100
NPC Value: 750
Description: Fresh honey extracted from the beehive.
Recovers around 30% of both HP and MP.
Drops from: -
Available from:

• This item can be obtained from quests: Sophia's Snack (Level 18 and above).

same arguments BigDaddy have.
even if we have berserk 30 and eventually we get new source and 50% threshold, its still a nice editable/potion, for DKs low levels (before they get max berserk)
we know that berserk30 is hard to get and costs a lot. but also other classes, its still 30% HP/MP and could be an alternative for the 40% Ginseng Root

 

This sounds like a great idea that isn't really asking for too much to help support the DrK's on whose HB many players rely on.

 

as we know, DKs is the weakest warrior class. without berserk it deals less then half the dps a hero do. now, DKs need to wash, buy expensive berserk book.
this "Honey" is definitely a nice pot to have and will reduce a bit the pot costs and make it "easier" to keep the berserk active all time.

 

It would be cool to see Honey added to the NLC potion seller for a price that reflects the prices of other % based potions sold in the store.

Need to? You can properly HT without washing a DK. You can't properly HT without washing an MM. There's the choice of washing in order to do damage on par with a similarly outfitted hero by using berserk, then there's the choice of washing on a low base HP character in order to actually do content like HT. Just because a DK can't do as much damage as a warrior without washing doesn't mean they're underpowered, that's like saying a hero is infinitely underpowered because they'll never have access to HB, even if they wash.

Btw, since when was Paladin not a warrior class? Did they become so unpopular that they aren't even considered in discussion anymore?... I guess there's just DK and Hero now, Paladin doesn't even exist.

 

dks are not the weakest warrior class.
saying that drks aren't as strong as heroes without zerk is like saying marksmen aren't as strong as bowmasters without strafe.
most classes need to buy expensive books.
it's already easy to keep zerk active if you know what you're doing. you talk about a meso sink in another thread yet here you want to reduce pot costs. I don't understand why you're doing this.

 

inversion. just check the sheets. its not my own thoughts.
> http://royals.ms/forum/threads/dps-calculator-lv-200-single-target.31606/

im playing a Dk and i think its the weakest warrior class. i have play a Hero and Paladin in other servers up to lvl200
so i know the difference.
anyway, whats with you anyway inversion? its like you always try to argue against me no matter what.
this thread is about Honey, and what u try to do is to insult me

 

He's arguing with you because you are stating your opinion as fact. When in reality it's wrong. Paladins are by far the worst warrior and arguably the worst dps class in the game. Drks are a very good class, they are basically identical to heroes when it comes to DPM.

I think the addition of honey would be fine. I don't think this is a huge priority but It definetly wouldn't hurt anyone, so I don't see why not.

 

Spoiler: a bit off topic

ImCanadian. we need to compare Heros, Paladins and Dks "without hp-washing". its not fair to say that the "build" of a DK is to HP-wash. yes most of us that plays DK "ARE" hp-washing. ask yourself why we are doing it.
so, a non-hp-washed DK participating in a HT-run. will it be able to have <40% HP all time to have benefits of berserk? because without berserk the DPS will be way under Dps of both Heros and Paladins.
remember that DKs use 3rd job attacks. that is why i think its underpowered.

 

I support Honey being added to a pot shop! good idea!

 

Spoiler: a bit off topic 2

A DK that hasn't HP washed wouldn't be zerking in an HT run because they didn't HP wash, therefore they probably don't care about damage (the party honestly cares mostly about the HB) and would rather be focusing on the utility of their skills, namely Hyper Body which buffs the party so that they can survive and do damage. If your argument is based purely on damage, every class is severely underpowered compared to the ranged classes. If your argument is that they have to be washed, then sure, heroes are the only class that don't have to wash for anything, but they also don't have any utility party skills.

Saying that DKs are underpowered because they have to wash to zerk is like saying some classes (namely DKs) are overpowered because they don't have to wash to HT. Endgame revolves around washing, and I suggest you to get used to that because I can guarantee you 99% that washing will always be around.

 

Spoiler: a bit off topic 3

what you are posting confirm that dks are underpowered. a Dk will only give HB and nobody cares about his dmg. while Heros (and Paladins) will be able. the offtopic discussion is the between the 3 warriors, Dks are the weakest. the only way to make Dks come close to the Dps is using berserk all time (not the easiest part and force you to hp-wash and its costly).

Honey "on topic" is a suggestion to help Dks "train" (not only bossing). because no matter what you think, you need to train your Dk to level up and eventually go in boss runs. but if you damage is 40% of an hero or 50% of an paladin it will take twice as long to level up. this suggestion to have "Honey" is to help Dks a bit. to train a Dk cost a lot, Ap-resets are not cheap and if you also need to spend 10x more mesos on pots then Heros, i say its quite unfair. this Thread is about "Honey" remember that.

 

Spoiler: a bit off topic 4 aka lets change thread title

ok. here you go, if DKs were ever rebalanced in the sense that you're suggesting, they would:
1. Have their max HP gained per level increase
2. Have HB removed from their skills
3. Have zerk removed from their skills
4. Have their active attacking skills increased in damage


5. Have their job name changed from Dark Knight to Hero

 

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Spoiler: a bit off topic 5

im not suggesting anything. im just saying its the weakest warrior class.
without HB it would be a garbage class that nobody will ever play. but because of HB its one of the "best" class. NOT strongest.
berserk is needed, without it would be so bad its ridiculous. now we need to play with less then 40% of our HP to just keep up with the dps of other warrior classes. that is why im saying its the weakest.
"Honey" as i suggested would be helpful. thats it. if you think otherwise, please give me arguments.

again, this Thread is about Honey, do you think its good or bad!?

 

Keep this topic about honey or not at all please.

 

Spoiler: On topic

No for Honey. Your argument about DrKs being the weakest class is completely unfounded and bullshit so I see no need to make it any easier to Zerk. Zerking is supposed to take effort to maintain and is a high risk, high profit skill. If you want more DPM for less effort then make a different class.

 

facts dont lie. Dk have the weakest dps. so i dont get it why you keep saying that Dk are not the weakest.
instead of insulting me all the time, give me proof, facts, data.

1. hero vs paladin vs dk (without zerk). do you know the dps?
2. hero vs paladin vs dk (with zerk) and again dps?

now, you need to compare "without" hp-washing and high-level monsters/bosses such as HT. facts please.

then we can continue with the discussion if Honey is needed or not.

 

How ignorant are you?

This data is from your own source that you linked earlier in the thread. You are right, the facts really do not lie.

This chart is also assuming 1 v 1 damage and since Blast can only hit one target while crusher hits three, DrKs will GREATLY out-damage a Paladin at places like Horntail or Zakum Arms where multiple targets exist.

If and ONLY if the mob has a HOLY elemental weakness AND has only a single target, then will a Paladin out-damage a DrK. You were probably too busy up on your high horse to check for the elemental weakness section in Marty's DPS chart before jumping to your conclusions.

Now with the PROOF you absolutely demanded of the significant damage advantage of a DrK, I definitely don't see a reason why Honey should be added to NPC's while power elixirs or other convenient pots shouldn't.

Please double check your facts before you start playing victim.

 

Please hide that chart. I hate seeing how low my damage is compared to everyone else

On topic though... I dont see it being much different from a honster, or a shittier ginger ale. And even though baka is coming up with bad points, it really isnt that much different from buying some melted cheese, or some other alternative.