Mark of Naricain vs. Horntail Pendant

There are talks and rumors on nerfing the Mark of Naricain so that Horntail Pendant is still the best possible end game pendant for attackering class.

I'd like to know what everyone's thought on this because I personally would like to see MoN being better than Horntail Pendant for attacking class.

 

that +300 HP goes a long way to helping ease the pain of getting the minimum HP req's for some bosses. Personally I'd love for the MoN to have Godly bonus, however I know many players wouldnt. It becomes the best pendant for Attacking classes. I would still be ok with having a MoN not have godly bonus as it will compete much more evenly with an egged HTP for attackers. I do not want any other potential forms of nerfs to MoN otherwise.

 

I support a nerfed MoN , since cwkpq is easier than ht , unless the pq is buffed .

 

Why are we talking about MoN when there are other priorities such as APQ?

And yes it’s likely that MoN get nerfed. I find it awful to give mon with 5 att when there is people who have chaosed a scarf for that extra bonus att

 

That means they'll never release pink bean, scar/targa since people chaos Zak helm.
The purpose of this feedback is not to push CWKPQ up the priority chain, but as a reference when the staff are working on it I guess.

 

Pink bean scar and targa is not gonna be released lol. It has been discussed before

 

Damn I could sworn I heard they are going to release them in the future.

 

And I’m the one knocked out in bed with fever , it seems the hallucinations started on you before me

 

What I would like to see is:
normal HTP being better than a normal MON but,
a godly MON having more potential than a godly HTP

 

clean average MoN is 5 all stats and 10 att. (not 5 att)
horntail might be the end game boss rn but its not like it only drops htps, there's also books and more exp,
I think MoN should get the 5 all stats removed and the attack nerfed to 5, this way it's kinda on even grounds with the htp, you need to choose between getting the possible 56 stats from your htp or the 5-11 att from the MoN (assuming godly system applies, otherwise 5-6).

here's some calculations:
a 7000 range NL (with assumed 11/11 egged htp) will have 7550 range with a 16att 12 stats(dex+luk) MoN (best MoN assumed not nerfed and godly system applies).
a 7000 range NL will have 7280 range with a 11att 6all stats MoN(best MoN no godly system)
a 7000 range NL will have 7180 range with a 11att MoN(post my nerf suggestion godly system applies).
a 7000 range NL will have 6930 range with a 6att MoN(no godly system MoN post my nerf)

**Although, since pink bean is confirmed to be released soon and much tougher than Horntail, maybe it isn't a bad idea to not nerf MoN at all..

 

What?

 

All ive seen about pb/scarga is that matt said in shoutbox when i asked that he isn't opposed to their release but he didn't like that the scarga helms were better than zak helms. nothing about if they're actually coming.

 

it was confirmed to be released back in 2016, I remember a post in a discussion thread where I think Matt confirmed it, but since we just got horntail a month ago I don't expect it to be released soon.. it's probably on the bottom of the to-do list below dojo cpq cwkpq and white exp.

 

My question is, though, why nerf at all if the server wants to keep it "nostalgistic". If MoN is better than HTP in the old GMS server, why not keep it that way.

People will still HT daily regardless which pendant is better because HT drops essential skill books for 4th job.
On the other hand if they nerf MoN, that's the only item worth doing for CWKPQ, and the exp sucks if you look at time vs exp gain ratio. That will defeat the whole effort on releasing the CWKPQ because people won't go through the trouble putting together a team of 10+ people with 2 from each class to do the PQ.

CWKPQ will also give people more bossing options. People doesn't want to HP wash or lvl too high too late to wash for HT, but still want to participate in a boss that's worth fighting (for drops and buyers) that's harder than Zak/krex.

 

This.

 

Cwkpq is worth doing regardless , for Taos , attack potions , attack cape .
Please stop with the "gms like" meme , does it really make sense to get the best pendant in game from a 20-30 mins pq ?

 

I would love to have PB but I'm gonna say you were mistaken. Matt has never given a confirmation on whether he was going to implement PB or not. He's always had a politicians response to stuff. Vague and often pointless. Seeing as how it took half a year to work on Horntail, I'm gonna say Pink Bean is triple that time down the road. The boss has so many mechanics and phases, it would take ages to get the code to work here since it has to be written from the ground up.

 

Kk no more "gms like" meme. Got it.
However the vote result so far shows I'm not the only person thinking this way.

 

You have to get atleast 10 people together and run a PQ that requires coordination to get through. And there is multiple layers of boss killing at the end. Ive heard some people say its hard to get enough people for Horntail sometimes! We're looking for 10 people with some classes being less common then others. Its certainly no roll over PQ. Balancing MoN and HTP to be closer to equal in dps is a good compromise IMO. With the MoN slightly edging out for some people for its additional HP

 

or it could be that people think it's
1.fair since everyone get's to have this op pendant
2.lowers the ht/bosses grind time
3.helps introducing pink bean (7b hp 1 hour time limit)

I'm already almost bored of HT, kill it many times so you can upgrade your gear, lvl up, and kill it quicker, it's boring because it's a daily thing, and its not a challenge at all in 2018, this server needs pink bean. also iirc the time it took to code ht wasn't long at all, it was the auto ban system that they wanted to be in-place for ht which took the majority of the time to code. once dojo cpq and cwkpq are out there's not really much more to add except for pink bean, it should be added... but you're right, I looked for confirmation on the forums but I haven't found a clear statement, very ambiguous, there have been many discussions that involved staff on 2016 and 2015 tho.
also, it isn't hard at all to get 10 members for cwkpq if you break it down, 2 bishops, 2 nl's, 2 warriors, 2 bm's and 2 si mules/buccs.