My View on - Nature of Rules and Ban Appeals

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    I HAVE PERSONALLY ASKED A GM TO CLOSE THIS THREAD TO TRY AND PREVENT FURTHER COMMENTS
    I started writting this before it was closed, i took to long. Didn't want it to go to waste.
    if a ADMIN wishes to delete the thread I am fine with it, Just didn't want all my typing to go to waste

    This is concerning the following thread: http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=7768

    Although I have not made up my mind over the recent Perma Ban- http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=7765
    I would like to take some time, and highlight a couple point that have been posted throughout this thread.
    I will also post my PERSONAL opinion about each of the highlighted post.
    I apologize in advance if this is too long to read.

    First:
    In this post by Kerners, there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    From my understanding, there was no advantage gained due to the fact that the auto-ban caught on with what was happening before further access was even possible.
    I personally do not see this as a "good" argument due to the fact that it cannot possibly show why/what he(Model) was going to do once he was logged on.
    Second-
    The Staff have put the ToS accessible to every single person in the server, it should not be their responsibility to ensure everyone take the 5 minutes is takes to read through them. Their responsibility is to ensure everyone is following them, and punish those who fail to do so.
    Third-
    This is something that I agree with. There are times where a person makes a GENUINE mistake, and those do deserve a second chance. As to the reference you made, it is extremely hard to judge if it could or could not be a genuine mistake and what could or could not have been the severity of the damage toward the server.
    Fourth-
    The Staff is only able to see the situation 1-way due to the fact that, like you said, "how unpredictable human nature is" . The staff have/are doing what they think is the best way to prevent anything from happening to the server.

    Although I have not agreed with everything you have pointed out, I respect your opinion and glad that you have brought this topic up.

    Second:
    In this post by John, there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    This is something that I agree with. Through the power of the internet, it is really simple for someone to not show their true intention and to show remorse even if its not genuine.
    Second-
    Like I said before, the ToS can be easily accessed by all of the players, and the consequences for each are there.
    Third-
    As pointed by Model, there has been an incident kinda similar in the past. (http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=6309&highlight=respare)
    it bring this question to my mind, "If exceptions were made in the past, what is the problem with making an exception now?" The situation is very similar and the other person was able to get unbanned.

    Although I have not agreed with everything you have pointed out, I respect your opinion and glad that you have brought there points forward.

    Third:

    In this post by Kerners, AGAIN there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    With Account sharing being the topic, this seems like a good format to follow. The only thing that gets my attention is that, if this is allowed the staff would have to view each account individually and monitor the actions of each account. Thus why they have just evaded all that work, and just made the rule of 0 account sharing, no matter the circumstances.
    Second-
    With the case of Model in mind, Matt said "I don't think that is a valid excuse for breaking the terms and conditions when it said; "You will be fully responsible for the confidentiality and use of your username and password and agree not to transfer your right to access the game via your username or password to any third person"." He has shown his reasoning as to why the ban has been placed.
    Third-
    There was a lack of consistency with the matter of account sharing between cases of Model & Respare. This is something that I don't agree with, and perhaps this is why this Ban has caught much attention.

    Once again. although I have not agreed with everything you have pointed out, I respect your opinion and glad that you have brought there points forward.


    Fourth:
    In this post by Mekansm, there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    I also have this in mind. +1
    Second-
    Please, correct me if I am wrong. I think that in order to see that people are "Account Sharing" is to manually look at the IP's associated with the account. If I am correct, this would take a really long time to individually check each account, and is probably not a huge interest to the staff. So if someone admits to breaking a rule, why should they not be punished?

    although I have not agreed with everything you have pointed out, I respect your opinion and glad that you have brought there points forward.

    Fifth:
    In this post by Marty, there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    +1 To all of points highlighted.

    I have agreed with the points that I have highlighted, and respect your opinion. I'm glad that you have brought these points forward.

    Sixth:
    In this post by Alicatt, there are several points that I would like to highlight.(each separated by -----)

    First-
    I am pretty sure that this rule was also in GMS, I just think the reason why it was never enforced was because the amount of people.

    Second-
    Although it is true that it's the persons fault, I am sure there will still be a lot of threads open when someone's items have been taken. The GM's will say that there is nothing that can be done, and the users whose items have been taken will not settle for that.

    Third-
    They do this for the sake of those who want to try and get top spots on the rankings. I don't care about rankings, but I don't think many people would find it fair if a character who is being played by 2 people to take the top ranks.

    although I have not agreed with everything you have pointed out, I respect your opinion and glad that you have brought there points forward.

    When I realised it was closed, there was also more post i would've like to quote, but its long enough.
     
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