Nerfing PB in the future

Hello,
I was thinking all night about PB. If it's ever going to be released on the server what are you guys thinking about nerfing his attacks? Maybe not much but a little . There is many players above 180 already who did not wash or not enough for PB. So that means they need to recreate their characters ? What do you guys think? Maybe any admin could response to my question

 

I dont believe it should be nerfed. If you put in the time and effort to HP wash enough to PB, then you should be able to PB. If you didnt, you shouldnt be able to PB.

 

remake, theres plenty of time.

 

eh nerfing it would completely defeat the purpose of PB being a difficult boss.

 

The struggle

 

Any boss/monster that requires hp washing as a necessity just to survive is terrible design. AP resets can only be obtained from the cash shop and cash shop items should have no large effect on the game whatsoever. The cash shop is there mostly for cosmetics but does have some helpful items to improve gameplay such as shop permits, teleport rocks, and super megaphones. Those items do help a lot but are not mandatory in order to progress through the game. In gms, the only way you could obtain cash items was to spend real money which gave maplestory the infamous pay-2-win label. They purposely made it so that Pink Bean required users to spend a load of money on their game on either ap resets for hp washing or wheel of destinies for infinite respawns.

While we do get free nx in this server, it still isn't fair to make hp washing 100% necessary to simply survive. The difficulty in a boss should not be because you need to invest in a large amount of money on ap resets in order to have enough hp to survive, but because of tough mechanics and the trouble in organizing a squad. Forcing Pink Bean to require hp washing also unfairly punish players who enter the game without having prior knowledge to it. We're not talking 10, 20, 30mil worth of washing, we're talking figures up in the billions. It's unforgiving on an irreversible level and the only way to remedy it is to remake your character, which again, is poor design. That isn't to say having players look up a guide before hopping into the game is bad, but with hp washing, no new player can reach that hp threshold on their 1st character even with prior knowledge of it. Unless you're hardcore, there's no way. If Pink Bean were to be released in its vanilla state, not only would it appeal to a very small percentage of the players (which is probably less than 1%) but it'd be impossible to kill. I agree that Pink Bean should be a hard boss (being the strongest boss in the game), but removing the hp requirement or at least some solution to it is a must.

To reiterate my points:

1. Pink Bean having to require hp washing is a poor design
2. Only caters to the top percentile of players
3. Unfair and unforgiving
4. Impossible to kill (unless someone here can prove me wrong on that but I'm confident on this statement)

The only counter-argument I can think of is that it's unfair to those who have invested billions on ap resets, but those people will still receive the benefits of hp washing. They'll be able to comfortably kill Pink Bean (or any boss for that matter) without having to worry about dying as much. You could also argue that Pink Bean is not a mandatory boss just as Zakum and Horntail aren't, but in reality Pink Bean really is because what's the point in releasing a content that only a small handful of people can reap the benefits of? It must cater to the majority of the playerbase otherwise it'd alienate a lot of people. Players would be turned off by the fact that they can't fight the strongest boss in the game without having to restart their character(s). I can't stress enough how lame it is having to restart your character only because of 1 thing.

TLDR - Pink Bean's hp requirement needs to be nerfed and hp washing should remain how it currently is, a luxury, not a neccesity. ​

 

Intervision told everything I had on my mind. There is no need to discuss about this anymore. For me PB nerf is a must..that's all.

 

I don't have time to remake my main just for PB, but I want to fight it. I'm donating to the server so I want to be able to check out all the content that is avaible. Stupid argument..

 

We are talking about the end-game boss , the final boss of the game , therefore I think it shouldn't get nerfed.
I don't see the different between spending money on an end-game weapon and spending money on hp washing to be able to survive PB .

 

Just spent your money on HP washing if you want to have 30k hp to survive for example 2 hits. Don't force people to hp wash for the end game boss. Hp Washing is a luxury as Sean said. Hey Lucky Look how do you know it's going to be the end game boss? Maybe we'll get all bosses from v 150 in the future!

 

First, there is no intention or timeline that I am aware of to bring PB to Royals. There's a LOT we have to do before I would feel comfortable pushing to implement PB. I would much rather see everything we currently have working 100% of the time before adding something else.

With that said... PB should not be nerfed, no. I feel like a broken record at this point but I don't understand how come players expect for everything to be made easier for them. PB is supposed to be hard as hell, nearly impossible to defeat. Once you do defeat him, the sense of accomplishment is huge as you and everyone else know how difficult it is to do. If it was nerfed, it would just become another boss like HT has become (which I also think shouldn't be as easy as it currently is).

Tl;dr No way, no how would I ever push for PB to be nerfed.

 

The difference between spending money on end-game gear vs hp washing is that in the first example, you can progressively improve your equipments overtime with no real drawbacks (as you can easily sell your old gear) whereas hp washing requires you to either plan it out ahead of time, or to restart your character. The problem with forcing players to hp wash for Pink Bean is that well, it's absolutely mandatory. There's literally no way to avoid Pink Bean's strong attacks with any amount of skill and you'll always die to them. I've always thought the idea of hp washing was dumb for reasons like this.

Take Dark Souls for example, in your first playthrough (granted you don't use an online walkthrough or anything) you'll probably miss a lot of stuff either because you couldn't complete some areas, or you didn't find out about certain things until after you've beaten the game. Rather than saying "too bad!" and starting a new game, they made it so that you can play through the game again but with the same character, retaining your level and equipments that you accumulated from your first playthrough. The difficulty gets ramped up considerably but it gives players the opportunity to experience what they've missed out on with same beloved character. And you can do this as many times as you like, each reset making the game more difficult in increments. With regards to Pink Bean being the hardest boss in the game, in Dark Souls, going for a glass cannon build was viable. Sure you'll get 1 shotted by almost every boss and even most of the regular enemies, but you can still beat the game if you're good enough to avoid the attacks. However in here, there's no way to bypass Pink Bean without having the sufficient amount of hp. Having weak gear on the other hand, still allows you to fight Pink Bean but with the drawbacks being taking a ridiculously long time to kill, and/or not being selected on runs. Players with the better overall level/gear would be picked over the weaker ones and fights would be faster. I believe that's what bossing should be all about, assembling the greatest squads and killing them to the best of your ability.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are plenty of ways to make Pink Bean the hardest and most challenging boss without making the toughest part being the minimum hp requirement. To reiterate myself once again, it's poor design.

 

Agreed that hp washing shouldnt be made mandatory just to enjoy end game bosses. One good point about the official maplestory is that no amount of hp washing can save you. If you are unable to dodge certain boss attacks u will die instantly to the attack regardless of how much hp u have. Bosses should be built around this concept.

However i still guess it will take a good year or so before pink bean is even released (seeing how new source still have alot of work to go before being launched) so it might be too early to talk about this.

 

Pretty much this. The difficulty of Pink Bean should solely be on the fight mechanics and finding the optimal party compositions. I'll say one last thing in this thread, requiring high hp in order to survive Pink Bean doesn't make the boss any harder. Night Lords will still be holding down triple throw yawning though the whole fight, and Bowmasters will be holding down hurricane picking dirt out of their ears. Pink Bean will be hard not because you need a lot of hp, because once you get there, that issue is no longer a problem, the challenge then becomes learning the thing's attack patterns. All this hp requirement is really doing is sliding in a cheeky 10bil entrance fee.

I'm not sure what I'm suppose to be looking for but all I got from that thread was Pink Bean is impossible without wheel of destiny.

 

Pink Bean is damn near approaching 8 years of existence at this point in some servers. HP washing is a known requirement for the boss and has always been known. The people who have to "reset" should have realized this possibility when they chose not to prepare. It isn't fair to all the people who have reset specifically to face these and other similar content IMO.

It may be poor design but prebb the game is just flat out designed horribly in the first place and we can't really do much to change this aspect. 99% of accomplishment in MapleStory is directly related to character progression and building: Hp washing is a part of that for better or for worse.

A lot of recent gMS bosses are far better designed; but most of those bosses would kill an unwashed character anyway. The only way to effectively get the game past washing is to flush everything and go Big Bang mechanics and HP growth because pre-bb boss runs are specifically based on being able to tank what is for the most part unmitigated damage. Like it or not; getting your character to that point IS part of the challenge and just that chance of facing that is why most people are opting to wash heavily here in the first place.

 

this just screams "i'm lazy" to me

ap resets aren't only from the cash shop. They are a commodity, you can buy them off other players. If they were untradeable I could see a little bit more merit.

Like John said, you got time. Start washing.

 

As long as Pink Bean doesn't absolutely destroy you regardless of your HP with some attack that instantly KOs you, I don't feel there's a need to nerf. HP Washing isn't very hard either and like other people said, there's plenty of time. MMOs are suppose to be a game about doing prior research and asking the important questions.

 

AP resets can be bought from players, and washing enough HP to survive doesn't even take that much if you're end game enough to do PB. The whole "cash shop" argument is invalid.

 

Thank you