new bishop leecher have some questions

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    hello everyone
    im about to make a bishop for leeching and totally new for this.
    read probably all the guides and stuff but still got some questions and would love to get some answers from the more experience players here. :)
    1. how much magic attack (the magic stat) do i need for 1hit at ulu1/ ulu2 with the next skills: MW10 (wont go for mw 20 atm), Gene 10/Gene 20/ Gene 30
    2. how much should i charge for split/solo leech at ulu1/ulu2
    3. what is the next map a high magic bishop can leech after ulu? (cant remember if its petri/skele)
    4. how much magic attack (the magic stat) do i need for 1hit at petri/skele (whoever is the right one for bishop) with the next skills: MW10 (or do i have to go mw20 for them?), Gene 10/Gene 20/ Gene 30

    also if there are any good tips for the rotations in the map (ulu1 and ulu2) i would love to have a link to learn how to play the best way possible.

    thanks alot, much appricate!
     
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    1. 1hit Ulu1 & ulu 2
    gene 10 to 1hit Ulu1 is 1245, ulu2 is 1360
    Gene 20 to 1hit Ulu1 is 1120, ulu2 is 1260
    Gene 30 to 1hit ulu1 is 1070, ulu2 is 1185
    Dont need to get mw20 too early on to achieve these numbers, use spellbound lolipops or energizer that cost 2-3mil each and last for 30mins.

    2. 40/70mil for ulu1/ulu2 leech
    3. Skeles.
    4.to 1hit skeles
    Gene 20 to 1hit skele is 1355
    Gene 30 to 1hit skele is 1290​
    To 1hit Petri
    Gene 30 to 1hit petri is 1561
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/telecasting-and-rotations.113753/

    The link i attached above a great guide for telecasting rotations in ulu1/ulu2. A very good read. I’m fan of this thread personally.

    If you need more information on bishop! If you haven’t checked it out, here below is my bishop guide
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/bishops-guide-2019.125406/

    Theres many things i have written inside throughout my journey as a bishop and I sincerely hope that this guide might be useful for you.

    If you need further help! You can comment on my guide or look for me in game. I can assist you with further advices that u might need.
    See you around in game!
     
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    wow your bishop guide is realy amazing, i remember reading him somewhen in the past but now when i read the full guide its totally amazing, thanks for the tips!
     
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    Some of this is wrong, when I did you 2 with general 20 I had to get like 1250 magic to 1 hit all the time
    Also petri is around 1590 magic not 1560
     
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    oh god thank you for pointing that out sophie. haha yes! ulu2 is 1260.
    1Hit Dark Wyvern in HT is 1590, to 1hit petri for Gene30 im accurate is 1561! just tested :)
     
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    ?this isn’t possible, as the HP for the two monsters are identical. The formula for minimum magic where the 159x came from assumes magic def is 0 so I don’t think it can overestimate damage.

    There is a marginal degree of variation depending on your total INT as well but the difference is more in the realms of 0-5 tma.
     
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    Petri and dark both have the same HP of 80k so same magic requirment
    Like I even tried petri with echo but without energizer and I couldn't 1 hit with like 1570 magic
     
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    This is a really short clip of my test.
    As seen in the video 1562 is able to 1hit, this might be too due to Higher Int,
    here below is attached with a estimated 1Hit TMA from the wonderful guide made by Bella.

    [​IMG]
     
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    0:23 top platform 78k - it died likely because it wasn’t at full hp to begin with (ie someone else killed a part of its hp).

    Unless you’re telling me petris only have 78k hp ?_?

    And your total INT based in the video is not actually high enough to 1hit even at 1590.
     
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    added an echo and further removed a few more equips, with Swiss cheese,Total INT is lower then the previous video.
    But still with an overload of 1591 magic. it seems pretty fine to me.
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    Here below is a test done by 2 different loadouts on my bishops.

    interestingly, from my believe that the chart shared above that is made by @Bella is accurate to an certain extend when having a significantly Higher INT.
    As everyone's total INT is different. 1561 magic with X INT is different than 1561 Magic with Y Int. The higher int will do a bit more damage because the Int number has its own effect in the equation.

    Therefore having that exact 1561 for petri, trying to push with pots such as Cheese/Echo or even energizers. on top of accounting of defense, 600. that might not result in a 100% 1hko
     
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    Not really sure what your point is... but you’ve just demonstrated in your own videos that neither 1591 nor 1561 are 100% 1hitting the mobs :’)

    0:37 first video 0:18 third video, for reference.


    The formula is easily google-able :’)
    MIN = ((Magic²/1000 + Magic * Mastery * 0.9)/30 + INT/200) * Spell Attack

    For every one extra INT you have your minimum damage increases by 3.35 for bishops with genesis 30 - you can expand the formula and get INT * (670/200) = INT * 3.35

    In other words the variance between bishops with different INT is minimal as most people with the same TMA would likely be within 100 total INT of each other.

    The reason why I’m making a point of this is because advertising 1h skele/1h Petri when you can only do so 95% of the time is basically scamming and can land players into the community blacklist if caught - the exp gain is different, leechers can get killed by aggravated mobs and it means the seller is lying when they advertise incorrect information.

    I think you’ve demonstrated yourself that 1591 isn’t able to 1hit petrifighters for bishops so this discussion/digression can probably end here - at the end of the day OP is asking for advice and we’re all helping with trying to provide accurate numbers for reference. On this note the TMA required to 1h skeles for bishops (probably a more useful figure for the OP) with genesis 30 and approx 1000 total INT is closer to 1297-1299 rather than 1290.
     
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    I appreciate the tremendous effort that you spent to take a close look of every mob every second at my random video to pinpoint the missing of that single 1hits from the exact magic i’ve adjusted for display.

    I doubt so a player would be called a “scammer” if his bishop gene-ing @ 2700ms each, with telecasting point, giving you 35mil~40mil/hour solo for quoted price of 130mil.
    Before the leech even starts, Sellers will already know very well when they are not in capability of giving out the correct amount of service, and still continue to push for so, indeed probably would land them in the blacklist.

    I’m unclear of how from you end up with 95% from the display but nevertheless.
    This an quite an interesting food for thought for me meanwhile, of suggesting the range of how much damage each genesis dishes out.

    For A bishop to reach this amount of magic without a simple Echo/Buffs on their bishops, is imo, respectable. Probably require 999base int and over +300int. (Lvl200)

    But meanwhile the magic goal probably doesn’t stops here as Horntail’s dark wyvern is definately your end game goal for magic progression.
    To kill dark wyvern’s with magic buffed defense.
    Perhaps @Joez would like to share the formula and maths of that and test it out on video this time round
    for an accurate number for OP.

    Back to original topic.
    For the most part of leeching.
    The interesting thing which is pretty much from what i’ve noticed throughout that Its simply rare for a bishop to sell petri leech.
    I’m sure we are experienced leechers/buyers at this point and to get a bishop selling you leech at petri, its only indeed only a mere handful.
     
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