NL HP/MP Washing - Some Technical Questions

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    Hi All!

    This is my first post on here, so I hope that I'm not breaking any rules or asking questions which have already been answered thousands of times ^_^'

    I'm currently working on my first hp-washed character, which I hope will eventually be a 30k hp NL (probably excessive, but that's part of the fun as far as I'm concerned, and I'm fine with the cost of doing so as a long-term project).
    I've been following the instructions in Shiyui's calculator up to my current level of 81, when I hit the base INT goal of 400, and so the next step seems to be starting the actual washing. As such, I had a few questions, and would truly appreciate any help and clarifications on these:

    1) My understanding from the calculator is that starting now and until level 135, I should be putting all of my fresh AP into MP. Does this mean that I do not actually need to use AP resets again (other the ones I already used between 76-81) until 135? Or must I wash at every level up (and if so, why)?

    I guess that the underlying question here is:
    Does the timing of when you do the actual washing (after hitting INT goal) matter? Or is it simply a matter of convenience/affordability, and therefore you can choose to wash (in this case reset AP out of MP) at any level thereafter, so long as you remain at your base-INT goal (i.e. don't reset into mainstat yet) and have excess washable-MP remaining in your pool?

    2) Assuming that I don't need to wash at every level up from now on (meaning I just keep plugging AP into MP without resetting until 135), I've calculated that I should have roughly 21,400 MP at level 135, which is just over 19,300 washable-MP based on the base-MP formula for a level 135 NL.
    However, at this level, I would have put a grand total of 274 AP into MP, which means I need to account for an additional (274*12=3288) MP which will eventually be reset into my mainstat of LUK, leaving me with an amount of ~16,000 "net washable-MP".
    Using the 22 HP gain per 12 MP loss, this should be the equivalent of gaining ( (16,000/12) * (22) = ~29,333) HP, which should bring me well over the limit of 30k.

    Is my math on this accurate (assuming I do actually get to 21,400 MP at 135), and if so - does that mean that I should stop putting AP into MP at an earlier level?


    Thanks in advance to all those who answer, and my apologies if any part of it was unclear~
     
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    for 22 hp per wash, u would nid to use fresh ap. n u definitely dont have enough fresh ap to use. so most of ur washing would be 18/wash from ap reset washing. 22/wash would be when u wash everytime u lvl up, which is what i would suggest for saving money. n uh 18/wash plugged into tat would b ~24k hp

    n lets just ignore this for now ~f6
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    Thanks for the reply!! I was indeed unaware that the 22 HP stat was from fresh AP, so I definitely appreciate the correction!

    With that said, I believe that the original question is still relevant - even if we are talking about an increase of 24,000 HP, as I should be pretty close to (if not over) my 30,000 HP goal goal at that level if we account for my base HP and HP from items at that level -
    so would it be safe (and perhaps even preferable) for me to stop putting AP into MP at an even earlier level?



    P.S. Was there some rule that I missed regarding new forum users and posting limits? Otherwise, I'm not quire sure what you're referring to in your screenshot ^_^'
     
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    To wash a 30k hp NL, one would expect you to be playing the game (or joined the forums) for some time, maybe a year. This is because it would cost so many billion mesos that couldn't possibly be earned in a short period of time (one day ~ one month).~imboss
     
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    Ah, I believe I understand what the problem is....
    While it is true that this is my first HP-washing character (and equally true that today was my first post on the forum), I never claimed to be new to Royals or that this is my first (or only) character ;)

    My main is a BS, and I have been lurking on the forum for a quite a while now, so there's no need to worry that I'm doing this this without knowing what I'm in for. As I mentioned, the 30k HP NL is more of a (very) long-term project that I enjoy - not something that I expect to achieve any time soon (though many hours of selling leech and then merching are bringing me closer with every passing day).


    With that said, I still feel like I need more advice here on the HP washing issue, and would truly appreciate any and all assistance ~f2

    I would especially appreciate confirmation of my assumption in the original post:
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    Does the timing of when you do the actual washing (after hitting INT goal) matter? Or is it simply a matter of convenience/affordability, and therefore you can choose to wash (in this case reset AP out of MP) at any level thereafter, so long as you remain at your base-INT goal (i.e. don't reset into mainstat yet) and have excess washable-MP remaining in your pool?
    "

    Basically, can I just keep on leveling from 82-135 and dumping my fresh AP into without having to worry about washing after every level up (thereby saving me from the agony of having to accumulate enough funds for every single level up, and halting my progress until I do so)?

    Or would that in some way screw up the calculation from my original post?


    Sorry for the long response (again) and thanks in advance :D
     
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    No, it does not matter when you wash the added AP out of your MP and into your main stats. It's going to cost the same if you do it per level, or all at the end. You're already account for the additional (274*12=3288) MP which is the tricky part. If you were extremely rich you could immediately wash that MP back into INT to get more MP faster, reaching 30k earlier.

    Also there are lots of longtime and prominent players who do not have forum accounts or do not interact with the forums in any serious capacity. A small reason for this could be the insular and unwelcoming attitude expressed by some posters in this thread.
     
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    Thanks again for the confirmation! Your explanation was exactly what I was looking to hear ~f11

    Hopefully we can all learn to be a little friendlier and more welcoming towards new forum posters - whether they be former lurkers like myself, or people who are just starting out on Royals :)
     
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    I would prefer to remove the ap added to mp every level instead of a one time thing because doing so every level doesnt seem to cost so much and you wont feel too hurt. Haha
     

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