Sorry if this has been asked a bunch of times, I read all the posts/guides/videos and just want to make sure that everything I'm planning to do is correct. I haven't made an NL yet, but my goal is to have 15k hp at 135 and 18750 hp at 200. Here is what I calculated: From what I understand, the process I should follow is like so: - 1-4 All ap into dex(25 dex) - 4-43 All ap into INT(200 int) - 43-99 All ap into HP - 100-135 I would put ap into MP, then use a reset to take a point from mp and put it into luk? Then remove the remaining 196 base int and put that into luk? Couple questions: 1. Is my calculations and process correct? 2. Should I be investing in int equips at all if I can reach my goal of 15k hp at 135? Whats the point of int equips if you could just do a higher base int? 3. After 135, if I want to reach 18750 by 200 is this reachable with no base int/int equips from 135-200? If so, should I just be mp washing every level from 135-200?
1. I didn't use that specific calculator when washing my night lord so I'll leave that question to someone who actually used it. 2. You should absolutely invest into int equips regardless of meeting your goal because it saves you money in the long run if you wash another character (you can meet your target int faster without needing to add unnecessary base int with int gear). 3. It is definitely possible to reach 18750 hp by 200 if you already have 15k hp at level 135 as mp washing for 35 levels straight with 200 base int would accumulate a massive mp pool for you to convert into hp. Thieves have a natural gain of 20-24 hp every level up (correct me if I'm wrong) so calculating the natural hp gain just from leveling up from 135-200, you should have an average of 16430 hp by 200. They also have a natural mp gain of 10-12 so you will be gaining excess mp leveling up from 135-200 so you can either do method 1. [Add fresh ap to hp, -mp and +luk 5 times every level up which is better for thieves obviously] or if you don't have much fresh ap to spare then use method 2. [Add one point of ap to hp/mp, then -mp/+hp until you reach your desired hp goal or hit your minimum mp and then remove the point of ap that was either put into hp or mp and put back into luk]. Don't forget to calculate your minimum mp using this formula: Level x 14 + 148. As for mp washing, that only affects your base int so unless you still have 200 base int after 135, there is no reason to mp wash during 135-200. You should have mp washed before 135 with your 200 base int to maximize the amount of mp you get per wash. Unless you want 15k hp clean at level 135, you have the hp quest (+500 hp) and a ton of equips that give you hp like blackfist cloak, dojo belt, medals, rings, etc. that can help you reach your goal. Didn't mean to make it so complicated and lengthy so I hope you're not confused
Bump Could someone doublecheck my calculations and see if 200 base int w/ no int equips would be enough for this goal?
I think your calculations are correct. I have my own calculator which doesn't assume you use the thief HP washing trick to cheat some hp in and it says: +240 INT +149 MP washes - 4 base INT -------------------------------- 385 APR between INT and MP washes (which are for the most part interchangable as long as you don't go crazy in either extreme due to efficiency reasons) while Shiyui's calculator assumes you will do the HP washing trick and requires: +196 INT Reset +175 MP washes -------------------------- 371 APR So yes to 15k at 135 with your set-up, and a clear no to 18.75k at level 200 assuming no HP from equips and medals. Like Anndrew mentioned, you're going to be around the 16.5k hp mark at level 200, not enough hp from leveling. Too many variables to think about after you reset your INT, like forgetting int gear on level up, how good your INT gains from zhelm, htp, etc are to try to squeeze 2k more hp from the extra mp from level ups. You're going to need to invest something like 60 more INT to make up the deficit. Do get some basic INT gear, you can always sell them and get your money back while every extra base int you add is another APR you have to spend. Get a 14-18 INT bathrobe, 12-14 int green bandana, 6-10 int cape, 5-6 int earring, 6-7 int wooden wand, and a deputy star. You will get like +50 INT this way and 600-700mp which will save you a good 30 or so APR (solid 300m saved after you sell your int gear away and the stuff I listed is budget player friendly). Here's a screenshot of what you need to get 18750 HP by 200 safely assuming no thief washing tricks (if you do them, just consider them as saving ~10% meso on hp washing, better safe than sorry). Assuming also 50 INT from gear, if no int gear then 270 BASE INT and 181 MP WASHES. Automated guide on the bottom left corner on what you need to do each level so it's less confusing.
Thanks for your reply, I seem to understand more now. I just put together about 60 int from equips. Just wanted to double check before I start leeching my NL on the process: 1. add ap to int until I get to 200 base int 2. then add ap into hp until level 99 3. then at 100-135, I would put ap into MP, then use a reset to take a point from mp and put it into luk, then remove from mp and add to hp? And this process with 200 base int/60 int equips would net me 15k hp at 135 and 18750 at 200? Was a bit confused on the process since your automated guide was really different from what I understood from videos/other guides.
You will still need 260 base int with that gear set if you want to reach 18750 without HP from gear, reason being that int from gear doesn't work when you MP wash. Still useful to wear int gear though. If you were to do base 200 int with 60 int gear and follow Akira's instructions, you would get about...~700 mp more to wash with if you wore it from level 15-20 to 135, which is about 1272 extra hp. 16.5k + 1.27 = 17.7k hp at 200 + 500 from hp quest = 18.2k which is still a little short. Add black belt's 300 hp and you get to 18.5k. To get the remaining 250 hp you need 140 mp which can be done if you raise your base int to 210 or get 20 more int from gear (+10 more is just a little short of 140 bonus mp). Rough calculations say you still need 210 base int if you want your 18750 goal by 200 with 60 int from gear from level 15 to 135. Can reset int and all that at 135. This is considering that you make full use of hp washing every level with your fresh AP. The no headache approach would be to raise your base int to 260 so you are not reliant on always using your fresh AP from level up to HP wash (when you're not using it to MP wash). Also everyone's guides are either based of old-source methods (guess something like my approach where you MP wash first) or Akira's (her's tries to put mp washing at the end but you have to mentally keep track how many points you put into HP and all that, and I think it leaves less margin for error if you mess up somewhere) The whole process is really complicated, just trying my best to simplify it. tl;dr do 260 base int and take the AP into HP method as just a way to save money and not as a MUST do. Do 210 base int if you really want to just spend the least as possible but you will have very little margin for error and you will have to get bonus HP from equips to finish the last 1k HP. Need HP quest, black belt, and most likely blackfist cloak for cape.
Thanks a bunch, I will go with the 260 base int. And for both methods, I would be mp washing from 100-135 right?
That's unfortunate it looks really smooth and I struggle with shiuyi's. If I shoot you my #s can u run the calc for me?
