Questions about Double Washing?

Shinixter · Dec 26, 2015

I've been reading a lot about double washing, and was wondering if I am understanding it correctly.

To double wash, you:

1. Level up with some amount of base INT (multiples of 10).
2. Put 1 fresh AP point into HP.
3. Put whatever amount of remaining fresh AP points into MP.
4. Use an AP reset to take MP out and put it into HP.

My Questions:
Would you need to use another 5 AP resets to take more MP out to put into your class' stat (ie. STR, DEX, INT, LUK)?
Can you even do this with an assassin, since they HP wash differently compared to other classes?

Ponder · Dec 26, 2015

Christopher Chance said: ↑

Guide to 30k HP Archers/Thief

Things to know beforehand

1) This is what I’d like to call EXTREME Washing. It’s not necessary at all, no one really needs a 30k BM or NL but people may want to have them anyways hence, the guide.
2) All of this is based on Worst-Case Scenario
3) ^ that said, We’re looking at purely Base INT, with 0 INT Equips
4) Strongly recommend a Bishop to self-leech for this method
5) Cost for this can go up to 20b (just a forewarning) - You can achieve 30k base as early as Level 140

Alright I’m going to split this into 4 Sections

a) Process of Adding AP + Leveling Techniques

Note: We’re looking at adding 50 AP into primary stats to not struggle during 2nd and 3rd Job Advancements
(Adding 50 DEX for Archers & 25 DEX + 25 LUK for Thief)

Level 1 -10: For Archer add DEX entirely,
For Thief, add 21 DEX (4+21) to have 25 for Job Req. followed by LUK

Stats at Level 10:
Archer with 63 DEX
Thief with 25 DEX, 38 LUK

Start adding INT from this point onwards
*You can use 23,700 Orbis ETCs to get from Level 10 to Level 30

Stats at Level 30:
Archer with 63 DEX, 100 INT
Thief with 25 DEX, 100 INT, 38 LUK

Getting from Level 30 – Level 70
- Carnival PQ 30-50 (You’re pretty much useless here, so leeching wins would be the way)
- You can self-leech at Wraiths from Level 43 till Level 53 for Ghost Ship 1
- Level 58 to 70 at Ghost Ship 2

Stats at Level 70 (After +5 bonus AP from Job Advance)
Archer with 63 DEX, 305 INT
Thief with 25 DEX, 305 INT, 38 LUK

Getting from Level 70 – Level 120
- Ghost Ship 2 from Level 70 to 75
- Wolf Spiders from Level 75 to 85
- Ulu 1 Level 85 – 90
- Ulu 2 Level 90 – 100
Ulu 3 from Level 100 – 105/108 (Depending if you’re going to Petri’s at 105)
or stay at Ulu 2 till 108
- Skeles Level 108 – 120

Stats at Level 120 (After +5 bonus AP from Job Advance)
Archer with 63 DEX, 560 INT
Thief with 25 DEX, 560 INT, 38 LUK

After that, Leech at Skeles/Petris from Level 120 – 140 and Save ALL AP (100)

b) Washing Process

Initial MP Wash (Level 70 to 120): You would require 250 AP Resets, 5 per Level
Process for each level up starting from Level 70 to 71
5 Fresh AP added into MP
5 Resets used to minus MP and adding it into INT

The next MP Wash comes in at Level 140 (with 100 Saved AP)
Process: Add 100 AP into MP, followed by using 99 Resets to minus MP and adding it into your primary stats (DEX for Archers, LUK for Thief)
Alternatively, you repeat the same process from Level 70 – 120 during 120 – 140 by using 5 resets per Level, only difference being you’re resetting MP for Primary Stats this time, not INT and remember to only Reset 4 AP from MP on the final level (at 140).
After that’s done, it’s time to HP Wash (and resetting Base INT after)

Process:
]1) Add 1 AP into HP
2) Use Reset to minus an AP from MP and add it to HP
Repeat (2) until you reach base MP

c) Calculations/Data Explaining Washing

Excess MP: Wash-able MP, not including Base MP

Excess MP gained per 1 Fresh AP added into MP at Level 70 with 305 Base INT: 30 MP
For every 2 Levels gained you will have 10 additional base INT, therefore MP gained per Fresh AP increases by 1
You also gain Excess MP just Leveling from the Base INT you have
(After computing it with its appropriate MP gain per level throughout 70 – 120 using Excel Sheet (below), to make it as accurate as possible)

50 Levels of Pure Leveling from 70 to 120 gives an additional 2,125 MP
50 Levels of MP Washing from 70 to 120 gives an additional 10,625 MP
From Level 120 to 14020 Levels of 560 Base INT gives (56x20) 1,120 Additional MP from Pure Leveling
100 Fresh AP into MP gives (56x100) 5,600 Additional MP from Leveling

Total Excess MP Gain from Level 70 to 140 = (2,125 + 10,625 + 1,120 + 5,600)
= 19,470 MP
*Bear in mind that this calculated MP is entirely EXCESS MP, not including BASE MP
Since both Archers and Thief lose a consistent 12 MP per HP Wash, 19,470 MP allows you to wash up to 1,622 times.

Since both Archers and Thief gain a fixed range of 16-20 HP per HP Wash,
(Thief is at 16-20 HP per wash instead of 20-24 because we’re no longer using Fresh AP)

WORST-CASE Scenario of 16HP/Wash gives you up to 25,960 HP. If you include your natural HP w/o Washing at 200, it should be at 30,000. This is the worst-case scenario.

Of course more often, we’ll be getting 18HP/Wash on average, and that gives you up to 29,205 HP, more than enough to reach 30k Base (At Level 140!)

*These are just figures for illustration, if you’re crazy enough to actually want to do this, you don’t need 30,000 base at Level 140, the goal should be 30,000 at 200 instead, it’ll save you some mesos by taking advantage of the natural hp growth from 140 to 200. If you understand the numbers above, you can play around with it and find your ideal path to take.

d) Cost of Washing

Before attaching a price to all the AP Resets needed, let us look at the number of Resets needed first

Initial MP Wash: 250 Resets (Using 5/level from 70 – 120)
MP Wash at Level 140: 99 Resets (Using 5/level from 120 – 140 and leaving 1 AP at 140)
HP Wash: 1,622 Resets (Deduced from the above example)
Resetting INT: 556 Resets (Resetting INT to 4)

Total Resets: 2,527 (Bear in mind this is the absolute maximum as I’m calculating worst-case scenario)
Total Cost assuming 8m/Reset: 20,216,000,000 (20.216b)

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Shinixter · Dec 26, 2015

@Ponder
I totally didn't realize that this even existed.
Thank you so much for quoting this to me.

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