hi 1- how much least and max profit people gain from ht runs ? how much mesos ? 2- which better selling leech or ht for gaining mesos ? 3- which classes needed and which classes not needed ? and dragon knight will take me with them or i should not focus lvling him now because they will not take me ? 4- my friend told me to take you ht you must be experienced , ok who never did it how to get experience while all his friends low lvls and guild high lvls don't want take you , i still not 155 but happpend to my friend 5- when i be 155 will take me or they will say you are low lvl ? 6- what people do with all this money they get from horntial , they have best gear , what they do ? keep stacking ws and cs ? why they still sell skill books overpriced then ? why ? they have everything they want why ? 7- when i be 155 how i group people to do ht and get skill books without those players selling overpriced ? 8-when i be high lvl i want get skill books for myself then sell it lower prices than these crazy greed prices , i will find any other people help me sell it lower prices for people or not ? i don't like what this people do , they really could sell much lesser and gain big profit also and they have everything they want , just greed and no feeling of others .
1. I was an active HTer a while back, always playing bishop. My profits from HT ranged anywhere from -30m at worst (pot costs and early on when I had to apple twice to 1 hit Dark Wyverns during preheads) to 2.5b at best (MW 20, Gen 30, TT 30, VIP HTP buyer, and a 60/7 Dragon Purple Sleeve, 5 way split run). The profits of HT are often negative, going down to -60m or so for attackers who apple, and the extreme profits are rare. Some runs you will have no books, some all the books, some with an HTP buyer and they don't always survive the run to loot HTPs. Godly weapons are where all the meso is, and in perhaps... 200 or so HTs? I've had four godly weapons. 60/8 Dragon Purple Sleeve (4b), 60/10 Dragon Green Sleeve (1.7b?), 87 att Dragon Revolver (1.3b?), 60/7 Dragon Purple Sleeve (6b). Take those amounts, account for taxes, take the remaining sum and divide by the number of people who were on the run and you all get an equal share. Same for books. I'd say, on average, I would get about 150m per HT. This was with most often a 6 member setup, later to one with 5 members. If you ran HT twice a day, you'd get around 300m a day, but this is actually difficult to do. Running HT regularly isn't always possible because you need to find SE, a bishop, sed mule, melee, ranged, and so on. Some people have made regular squads, including myself, which are fantastic while they last, but eventually they disband because we all have other commitments. Also, it's worth noting that it's becoming more and more common for people to multiclient at HT and the bishop role is one that is disappearing as people can run on both their attacker and bishop. I know of two groups who trio HT, running multiple times a day on their various attackers, bishops, SE mules, and SI mules. Both groups are composed of people with some of the best att gear in the game, and, as such, they're an outlier example. Nevertheless, my point is that people are running HT with fewer people for more profits. I rarely run HT these days, mostly because I like to spend my time in other ways, but also because I simply am not invited anymore. I wouldn't make a bishop expecting to HT regularly in this day and age. The most needed class for HT is SE, preferably a BM. You can probably join random HT runs recruited through smegas and network from there if you main a BM. But as power creep continues, it'll probably become standard to run with a small group of elites as a top ranked NL, maybe hero, and to a lesser extent DrK or sair. BM and MM come after, and at the lowest viability, maybe even bucc, although I can only think of one person who would have that level of DPS playing bucc. 2. I used to be an exclusively HT funded player when I had my squad. It was inconsistent but good income, making maybe 1b a week. But since having my priorities change, I now spend my time with a few people I'm close to and doing other things with them like playing Pokemon, watching anime, and just chatting. I don't sell leech, but I farm gobies. As a bishop, goby farming with SI is 80m per hour in NPCed equips alone. I also summon farm on my other bishop at various NLC maps which is about 20m per hour. So, conservatively, I make 100m an hour with hardly any attention in game because it's just a way to work on my in game goals when my real fun is spending time with those few special people. On a weekday, I make on average 300m to 500m, so I make about 2b a week, some of which is in things I have to sell like scrolls and etc. items. Per hour, HT may be 1.5 times more profitable (slightly less since a HT run from start to finish is probably 1 hour and 30 minutes), but you have to account for organizing the run, waiting to people to arrive and so on. So let's say a HT run takes 2 hours. 150m average profit for a HT run, and with my setup, I'd get 200m in those 2 hours. So, for me, goby farming and summon farming is more practical, more profit, and more fun than HT, which I would only join to spend time with those people anyway. 3. Most needed classes for HT (back when 6 member runs were standard), in descending order: BM, MM, NL, hero, bishop, DrK, sair, bucc. Sometimes, DrKs are brought to HT. But not often. At least among the people who are endgame level, HP washing to HT without HB is a given. I'm not familiar with how less funded players organize HT, but with HP washing not as prevalent, it may be that DrKs are more needed. 4. To HT, only the bishop really has to be experienced. There's a certain skill in learning how to bishop well, but for attackers, you just have to know what att pots to use when, and therefore how many to bring, how to not die by walking into HT preheads or body parts, and in what order to kill the main body. Which I can tell you now. I'll assume you have 9.1k HP at least, the threshold to HT without HB. At main body spawn, melee attacks Left Hand. Go to Head B if Left hand is 65% and the legs or tail are still alive. At main body spawn, ranged attacks legs, staying to the left side. Once legs are dead, ranged will move to the midpoint, but NOT off to the right. Kill tail from the middle, and if you're knockbacked to the right, immediately jump left and reposition to the middle. Once tail is dead, ranged goes to kill Head A and melee goes to attack Right Hand. If bishop can 1 hit Dark Wyverns and ranged party is stronger than melee, ranged kills Head A. If any other that is false, ranged goes to kill Head C at Head A 55%. Melee will go to Head B if Right Hand is 35% and Head C is still alive. Wings should be dead at that point. Once Head C is dead, both melee and ranged attack Head B. Then go to kill Right Hand, then Left Hand. If bishop cannot 1 hit Dark Wyverns, it's the responsibility of the warriors to jump down and immediately kill Dark Wyverns on spawn. HT for bishops is far more involved, and my guide on the subject can be found here: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ht-for-bishops.58735/. 5. Depends who you ask. The people who I know only run HT with people they know. We'd almost never take randoms unless it was necessary. Oftentimes, these exceptions occurred because we needed SE. So this is why maining BM or MM is best for networking. There's some expectation that people on a run have a decent damage. Some of us want only the strongest, some of us are fine with the above average, and some of us will take the average or below average. The stronger you are, the more HT runs you will be asked to join. But if you have friends, they may take you simply because you're their friend. It's all about who you know. Your best bet may be to make a regular squad, all connect with each other, and HT, make money, and get stronger together. In my squad, none of us cared about levels or damage because we all had fun together. But in my guild, I've declined going to HT even when I want to when I don't have my gear to 1 hit Dark Wyverns because I can't perform at the level I'd like to be for them. Different dynamics in different groups. 6. Speaking as a player who has some of the best (mage) gear in the game, I keep earning meso (and, by extension, running HT on occasion) because I still have goals I want to accomplish that require earning that meso. Also, HT is a social function for me. It's fun to spend an hour or two with guildies who I genuinely enjoy the company of since otherwise we just talk or slack in FM 1 together. For those friends of mine who are those top tier attackers you were probably thinking of, they also have uses for their money. They hoard WS and CS because they're forever improving gear and trying to be the next best. Even when you're the very strongest, there's still goals like hitting 100k on your sair and needing to get 2 more att in cape, glove, and shoe when everything is already worth billions and billions on their own. So we don't have everything we want. There's always something more to achieve. If not, we'd probably quit. Skillbooks being expensive is relative. Book prices have fluctuated since forever ago. TT 30 used to be 1b, Blizz 30 800m, Zerk 30 500m. This was maybe in December of last year, right before I joined the server. So almost a year later, TT 30 is 500m, Blizz 30 100m?, and Zerk 30 30m, if that. More people than ever are HTing and book prices are falling because more sellers are in the market. 7. Talk to people if you want to find HT run members. If you sell the books, you can technically sell them for whatever price you want. But the sold price isn't just your money, it's everyone who was on the run's money. If I ran HT with you and you sold a MW 20 that dropped to your friend for 1b when the value is 1.5b and you didn't ask me if I was okay with that, I'm not going to HT with you ever again. Book sellers are responsible for making sure everyone is fairly paid. You can't just decide on your own to arbitrarily sell books for less than their actual value. Or, well, you can, but you'll probably make yourself ostracized from the HT community. 8. I suppose we are greedy since we earn our own meso and we spend it on whatever we like, rarely, if ever, giving away stuff to randoms. But I put almost all my meso in perfecting mage gear not because I really care about my own magic but because I want a friend of mine to be the strongest mage in game and to see him 1 hit O4 on his IL. To say we have no feelings for others? Of course we have feelings for others. Some of us even fell for the union meme. It's just that you can't expect the best players in the game to give away all their meso to the poor players. You have to work for what you have, just like we did. Also, what? How could we sell skillbooks for less and still gain big profit? I suppose you -may- find people to run HT with you and agree with selling skillbooks for far below market price. Very unlikely though. And if any of us see an underpriced skillbook, we're almost certainly going to buy it and sell it at the real market price because that's easy profit. What you want to do is probably create a point based HT run. None are currently active because running HT to sell books and make a profit is better. Regardless, if you want to help the poor and give away skillbooks, it's a good model based on giving people skillbooks to reward their participation. Good luck though. For a short time, I was helping out with BlackCat HT and organization was extremely difficult since people would need HB, and we couldn't find SE, and so on. This thread has a good setup if you want to make such a system: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/fryslan-ht-v2.18233/. In any case, have fun in this game, but please don't think that we endgame players are bad people simply because we spent more time and effort to get what we have. You'll get there too, if you keep putting in the hours! Don't compare yourself to people who have played two years or more when you haven't even played a month. It's all about perspective and hard work. Happy Mapling!
I think you forgot about the fact that no one is forced to buy books at the prices they're at now. What happens if no one is buying the books? Market gets flooded with books causing the price to drop tremendously. The only reason why book prices are "so high" at the moment is because people pay that much to get their books. If someone decided that the book price are going to be 50% of what its currently and get everyone to sell their books for 50% less all the books would be sould out in no time. Its all about supply and demand. (small supply high demand = high prices, high supply small demand = low prices)
