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    Hey guys, I was wondering whether or not I should be getting a bowman overall scrolled with dex or str? I asked a couple of people and it seems to be mixed results, but I mostly see dex scrolled overalls in fm. Just wanted some clarification, thanks!
     
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    Always go for secondary stat if you need it cause MW affects base stat only. Dex overall scrolls are cheaper so maybe that is why some opt for that route instead but objectively speaking going Str is better if you are aiming to min-maxing.
     
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    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/stats-guide.129000/

    I personally prefer dex overalls over str overalls mainly because theres oa dex event scrolls and its a lot cheaper. You get the same bonus from mw anyways.

    Too much stigma around going for dex overalls even though theyre relatively the same.
     
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    Interesting finding. However that is very dependant on MW20, where not everyone in the party will have it nor is it cheap to pass it yourself, to wear your weapon, which is extremely detrimental on boss runs that can dispel you a lot due to the fact that MW has a huge delay to cast especially when you are reliance of other's MW20, and not to mention the AP resets that you need to spend whenever you gained more STR from event equip / scrolling PLUS a possible awkward scenario where you reduce 1 base STR but lost that bonus 1 STR from MW as well cause it doesn't round off properly as MW will not round off any decimal point from 0.1 to 0.9.

    This is simply too much a hassle just to save a few more mesos, but if you have the time and willingness to take the effort to do and endure that I guess that's fine too.
     
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    It really depends if you need the extra str or not to wield your end game bow. (usually a nisrock or dragon shiner bow)

    I see the trend that majority of end game archers would adjust accordingly and convert from str overall to dex overall due to the amount of excess str they can get from equips such as rudolph's shiny nose/maple leaf, krex ring, zakum helm, horntail pendant, anniversary earrings, etc. This might also be due to the fact that there is a 999 base stat restriction post new source meaning by 200 you would have 999dex and 23str (assuming you go str-less)

    To answer your question, I would probably start with a str overall and control the stats accordingly because anything above 105/115 total str is wasted stat.
     
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    All of this is really helpful guys! Looks like I'll be going with a str overall :p. Thanks for all the help everyone!
     
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    Well, Having mw20 or mw10 doesn't really matter (in terms of dex or str on equips), since they both still increase dex and str by either 10% or 5%. You just have less stats with mw10 than with mw20.

    If you get dispelled on a boss run, you would be rebuffing regardless. Even if you didn't need mw to wear your weapon, would you just keep attacking without any buffs?

    You are right that it is more hassle / costly if you end up using APR to reduce base str. So initially go for that str overall but when you get better gear swap over to a dex one.
     
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    Thing is the gaining difference between 5% and 10% is rather huge due to how decimals are not favoured at all. You gain more STR with fewer base STR if you're using MW20 when compared to MW10. Having 50 base STR with MW20 will net you 5 extra STR but MW10 will only give you 2 STR only due to how decimals are entirely ignored. You can't just say "Oh I can just raise my base STR to 100 to gain the same 5 STR bonus" cause frankly your base STR can't be that high and even if you do raise that high MW20 in this case will net you 10 bonus STR now. Ideally speaking you'll ALWAYS want your base STR to be as close to 2x after factoring the 999 stat cap to rip the maximum benefit from MW that affects base stat only. I meant I did mentioned that in order to min-max this is the way to do and that is why there are people aiming for items with STR stat where there is no STR scroll for them and then throw chaos on them to gain more STR like Maple Leaf and Glasses.

    Yes, but this apply specifically for boss runs where you're having no MW or only a MW10 while others have MW20. For those who can use their weapon without MW20, even though they are dispelled at least they can still attack while waiting for the respective MW20 buffer to come and cast it instead of sitting there contributing nothing cause you've no weapon to use. And let's not forget about the risk that your MW20 friend(s) died or dced halfway which means your run is basically screwed even if you've the damage to kill the boss. The safest way to do this is to have the MW20 yourself which is, as mentioned, not a cheap option to pass one yourself especially you're on the unlucky side and MW20 is basically a very late investment especially for attacking classes.

    Edit : And yes I agree with your conversion of STR > Dex overall since that is the only endgame equipment you can scroll with STR without using a Chaos Scroll as you accumulate more STR from equipment while keeping your base STR as close as 2x.
     
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