Random Idea to Help Boost Axe Hero/BW Pally/DrK

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    Allow Bucc's Speed Infusion to have a max level of 30, which means at 21, it will have +3 weapon attack speed boost.

    This will benefit:
    - 2h BW
    - 2h Axe
    - Spear (minus Sky Ski)
    - Pole Arm
    - 2h Sword (minus ST/Claymore)
    and allow a variety of potential end game weapons instead of only ST, Crushed Skull, and Sky Ski.

    While this idea may increase the reliance on mules, let's face it, this server is already highly dependent on mules. This will help out all 3 warriors, and give a boost to people who already have SI mules (and potential SI mules.)

    This idea also doesn't change SI drastically, nor does it introduce any new skills into the game, so it's still "nostalgic."
     
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    As much as I like the idea of having some weapon variety, this will just make DRKs- who are already the strongest warrior class- even stronger.
     
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    That damage also depends on which boss you're talking about. Like on Krex, a pally can easily outdamage the other 2 warriors. But yeah, for the most part, this would benefit DrK the most considering the difference in attack from Sky Ski and Dragon Faltizan and how powerful DrK already are, but it doesn't seem like there would be anything wrong with that. DrK will get the boost, but so will the other two warriors (if SI is available.)

    Pallys will be able to use Dragon Flame/Seal Cushions/Golden Smith Hammer
    Heroes could use Dragon Battle Axe/Trevor/The Beheader
    DrK can use Dragon Faltizan/Pinaka/Fairfrozen

    And if SI is not available, ST, Crushed Skull, and Sky Ski will still be the best weapons.
     
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    I actually think Pyrope Sword/RK are better than Skull without SI. But anyway, I would much rather see a direct buff to Axes and 2H BW weapons. Most sword and Spears are already really good, and giving common weapons like Pinaka and Beheader the ability to better than rare (and expensive) weapons just doesn't seem fair. Maybe a -1 attack speed is the way to go with some weapons, but surely not with all of them.
     
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    Pyrope/RK are better if you go 1h Sword, but Crushed Skull is for the BW pallys. I can agree on giving a buff to select weapons, but I still believe this option would be universally better than picking and choosing specific weapons. I tried to suggest the path of least resistance, so if we were to give specific weapons a -1 in attack speed, it could cause others to question why their weapons didn't get chosen.

    But yes, I would agree on -1 attack speed on certain Axes and BWs.
     
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    I personally feel like Hero/Drk aren’t in a position where they should be changed. My highest lvl is a hero, and I was sad on the nerf, but theres at least 2-3 other classes that would need buffs.

    I think a priority buff is a hitbox buff on ACA or somesort of blast buff.
     
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    I'm assuming you meant ACB for pallys. If so, the hitbox should be the only thing that should be changed in regards to their skills. Pallys aren't meant to do crazy damage, so buffing Blast shouldn't be an option.
     
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    Opps Haha yeah ACB.
    Blast has high dmg %?, so funded pallys can hit 99k , a suggestion in the pally/blast buff thread was raise the dmg cap.
    Blast is a single hit so will easily get out classed by drks/heroes that can hit 100k+ lines
     
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    Even if Axes had the same speed like swords they are still a lot weaker simply due to their low damage multiplier when stabbing.
    2H swords have a multiplier of STRX4.6 both in slashing and stabbing while axes have a multiplier of x4.8 when slashing but only x3.2 when stabbing.
    Since Brandish is always 1 slash+1 stab this is a big disadvantage. The same applies to BWs (except Blast has a better ratio of slash/stab but it's still weaker than swords)

    Drk is the only class who benefits from it as you could use a Faltizan which has a lot more atk than skis.
     
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    The cap is 199k, so pallys can hit up to max. Blast is single target, single hit, and it has 580% damage at max level. Weaker than Hero or DrK, but stronger on elemental weak monsters.

    The damage multiplier is a huge deterrent when it comes to Swords vs Axes, even if this change gets implemented. This suggestion is just to allow a small boost so people actually have the choice if they want to go 2h Axe or BW. Despite the multiplier, if there are ways to get people to try out other builds, I think it's definitely a positive change.

    And yeah, DrK will definitely benefit the most from this.
     
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    I don't think this suggestion is really enough to counter the multiplier, a better idea would be to increase the speed of all 2h BW/axes to match the speed of 2H swords and also give these weapons about 10 more base atk (for example a perfect lvl 110 battle axe will have 127 attack instead of 117).
    They'd still be a little weaker than swords but the differences will be a lot smaller than they are now.
     
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    That sounds like it would make them too strong, but I haven't done the math so don't quote me lol. I'd be all for it if it balances things out a bit :)
     
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    Nice thread, I'm totally in favor in boosting axe/bw dps. There was a similar one created by Jero a while ago, maybe people would like to take a look at it: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/the-balancing-of-axes-blunt-weapons-data-included.53212/

    Never thought of modifying SI to benefit more axe/bw, I really think this is good idea for people who would like to be using 2-handed bw/axe. I always thought of giving a % increase to axe/bw weapon attacks, so they won't be completely useless anymore and won't be affecting currently end-game weapons. Except for skull and dragon axe, none of the others have good dps, leaving unfortunately a lot of weapons completely unused in the game. However, changing attack speed on certain axe/bw is an interesting idea.
     

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