Regarding Chaos Scrolls / White Scrolls being dropped....

Last thread was locked. Whats the harm in saying allowing Chaos and WS to be dropped from something like HT? Which can only be done twice a day anyways? Currently, the price of WS and Chaos Scrolls are controlled by a select handful of individuals with mesos to burn. The price stays stagnant at 300m, regardless of demand. You can argue meso farming is easy enough as it is, but some people (like myself) play the game at a relatively slow pace. I also enjoy working for my gear as I level. Right now, its probably easier for me to just forgo having godly equips while I'm leveling up (which I myself prefer and a lot of others also prefer too I'd imagine) and just power level to 18x and farm mesos. Its too repetitive and mind numbing. One slot on a weapon or piece of gear would cost on average upwards of 3bil to land 1 10% scroll. It's rather silly. I wouldn't classify this change as making it easier to get gear, but rather simplifying the process for the majority of players who dont have time to sell leech every day.

Be constructive. Don't just call me retarded/crazy casual. Provide reasoning behind your disagreements or even agreements. Saying it's too easy isn't providing reasoning.

Edit; One thing a friend brought up to me is the amount of mesos people have already invested into their godly gear and how this change would affect their gear. Deflation happens. Its a part of the game. This server could close tomorrow and you'd still have wasted your time. The value of said items would perhaps go down, but their utility wouldn't lose any value. It's still an end-game item with very little room for improvement. I had 22 att SCGs before Potential was released in GMS. It sucks, but its life.

 

I'm not sure what to add because the last thread went over this pretty thoroughly. All I have left is opinion, and my opinion is that, the way things are, I don't see it as a problem; and people are acting like you can't live without those scrolls. I really don't think this can be discussed any further because it's just going to be opinion versus opinion. The general consensus (on the forum anyway) seems to be that making them drop from mobs is really not necessary.

I'm entering this thread with an open mind, but for every time I see the word leech in your posts, I will take you less seriously.

 

Playing (as in, leveling) at a slow pace doesnt make me a casual. I just prefer to spend my time in the FM as oppose to training at WSs or banging my head in LMPQ....

 

If you want to have godly gear, you are going to have to put a lot of time into it. I'm not sure why this leech argument keeps coming up. There are @Plenty of ways to make money besides selling leech. You said "I just prefer to spend my time in the FM as oppose to training at WSs or banging my head in LMPQ", this doesn't help your argument at all, I hope you know that. You are expecting to get strong by doing nothing. It doesn't work like that and it shouldn't work like that.
Now for the actual suggestion. There are already high quantities of white scrolls and chaos scrolls in the game. All this change would do is devalue White scrolls, chaos scrolls, and any equipment which require white scrolls or chaos scrolls to make. I honestly don't see why this would ever be implemented. It's already fairly easy to get "Good gear".

 

Im not even hindering on the leech aspect, you're missing the entire point of my post.

 

I don't think people are missing the point of your post; you're just ignoring the counterpoint because it isn't to your liking("Easy isn't a good reasoning" )etc

The fact of the matter is Chaos/White scrolls are meant to be rare end game items used to make the best equipment in the game. These scrolls are obtainable by everyone who is over level 50 and a hefty amount of them get thrown into the market everyday. Making them any easier to get on an a level where it would actually fix the issue presented by your post would significantly lower the value of not only the scrolls in question but both clean and upgraded gear and the other scrolls(such as 10/30%) used to make them. This would lead to easy as balls progression that would ruin the economy and the longevity/satisfaction of playing on the server. There may not be too much harm in giving white scrolls an extremely low drop rate at very limited bosses, but at that point you're not fixing the issue presented by either thread anyway.

Like it or not; you are a "casual" player . Pre-BB MapleStory isn't even a casual game. Expecting the server to be adjusted to the point where you won't have put in the work other people have put in before you to reach the same power is ridiculously short sighted and harmful to the server. I'd argue the main appeal of a competitive server(especially one for pre-bb) is the clear reward for amassing resources and dedicating time. It gives players a reason to keep playing and to remain attached to their characters. One of the biggest appeals of having a perfect weapon or a level 200 is knowing how hard you worked to achieve that.

At this point however I believe anything that could be said on the subject has already been said.

 

When I referred to the "casual" player, I'm referring to one who does not take the game seriously. As you say, you spend a lot of time in the Free Market. I know players who FM more than they grind, and have considerably more money than the rest of their "level bracket."

This change would likely devalue Chaos/White Scrolls as the higher leveled players would be able to quote-on-quote grind for them and thus the demand would go down, but it could also be argued that it wouldn't have much of a total effect because of how little it would actually add to the market. This leaves us with the more important point; if it's not going to affect much, why do it? Zakum and Horntail weren't meant to drop those items in this version, it wasn't until much later that they did.

Simplifying a process is by definition making the process easier, so your point kind of loses itself there.

 

Like OP and others in the previous thread have said, hardcore leech sellers are hyper-inflating the price of ws / chaos and hording it for themselves.

This is a very serious problem. It basically gives players (like me, Goofy, many others) no way to obtain these scrolls themselves other than to buy them at a hyper-inflated price, fm 24/7, or sell leech.
None of these options are really appealing.

Without a way for many players to upgrade their equipment, they lose motivation to level.

I'd say implementing a quest such as mu long dojo to reward chaos/ ws. This way attacking classes actually have a chance to farm these scrolls.

I am on your side guys. I want more people to enjoy this server.

Please don't say I'm just lazy or that this server is meant to be hard. Every time you say that, you are only appealing to a small demographic of people like Duh-magi (and Plenty). No offense to you and I respect you but our ideas for the server is way too opposite.

You want to be competitive and reward hard work while I want to have a fun, balanced server for everybody.

Please help the community and server by implementing a good idea.

 

Can you stop bringing up leech. You got the other thread closed because of it, now you're going to get this one closed.

I think the poll on the other thread makes it pretty clear that the majority of the community doesn't want this change to be implemented.

EDIT:

Looks like you missed the entire point of my post as well...

 

Well, leech is the primary reason that ws/chaos is so expensive. How can we blindly ignore it?

It's fine if you don't want to implement it, that's your opinion. It's the server's loss.

The polls of the other thread does not represent the opinion of the entire community due to some people not voting and not on forums. The majority voting are honestly pros and experienced rich players. We can't really trust its skewed results.

 

But it isn't..... I can name a ton of people who have really good gear who don't sell leech. I personally perfected a stonetooth when whitescrolls were 350-370m each without selling any leech. There are plenty of ways to make money other than selling leech. You can farm, boss, merch. All that this change would do is make the game easier. The reason why ws/chaos are so expensive is because they are supposed to be expensive. They are used to make end game gear. End game gear isn't supposed to be easily obtainable.

 

You and your friends are apart of the top / strongest players in the server. How can we use your personal experience to represent what is best for the server?

A unfunded 130 attacking class has a miserable time obtaining chaos/white scrolls. Period. They simply do not have the farming capabilities to compete with bishops and purchase these scrolls/ equipment.

And since the price of books are dropping, bossing isn't a great option either.

End-game gear of course is not suppose to be easily obtainable. I am saying that the imbalance between rich/pro players and casual players is too massive.
It's to a point where a player like myself doesn't have motivation to farm or anything to look forward to.

 

Chaos scrolls are already dropped from a boss, I don't think they should add another one. There could be a debate about why no boss drops white scrolls, at first glance it seems kinda arbitrary, perhaps a gm or admin can say why only one is dropped. (NOTE: Something worth mentioning is that chaos scrolls are more expensive than white scrolls at the moment even tho it is arguably easier to get a chaos scrolls).

I want to be clear that I'm completely fine with the ways these scrolls are obtained and the current prices seems fine to me, I don't think there should be any change to this (and tbh I highly doubt there will be). Chaos and WS have oscillated between ~250m and ~400m since I joined the server (almost a year ago) I think been able to buy WS for 300m is a good deal actually.

Now, in the odd chance someone can come with a good argument ("It's too hard to make the BEST items possible in the server" is not a good argument, it is quite the opposite actually) the bosses that drops them should not be ones that you are gonna be killing regardless of their drops and that you can spawn whenever you want twice a day, they should be bosses that you would have to go off your way in order to kill them, sacrificing something else (exp, time or w/e) for the chance of getting one of these scrolls (AKA the way chaos drops works now).

Getting ws and chaos should never be easy, it is what you use to make END GAME gear after all, and you can do just fine without them too, if you don't think farming and making mesos is for you then settle for something else, land a couple of 30s in a good clean lv 100 weapon and finish with 60s/70s, buy cape/shoes around 8~10 att and get a 15 att glove, that should be enough to carry you all the way to 200.

 

I started the game broke, just like everyone else. If you want to get to "end game" you are going to have to work for it. Seeing as HT has a limit now, books will probably go up again. It's not like it's impossible for someone to go from poor to rich. All you have to do is be dedicated and it will happen.

 

Leech sellers aren't hyper inflating the price, stop claiming a correlation you have no data for. Leech being sold has no effect on the price of these scrolls, with the constant supply of leech its better to grind/apq now half the time anyway. The only times I even have sold leech myself is when I intend to farm a decent map for a couple hours and could use a little income on the side. Most of my money has strictly come from NPCing and selling scrolls/godly items+gach. Even then I've been valuing leveling my other characters more often than actually selling.

You can obtain these scrolls the same way everyone else does. Gachapon or Grinding. A majority of places late game easily give 60mil an hour minimum. Going on boss runs and APQing for a couple hours can net even more.

That sucks because thats how the game is. Items that allow you to put together the best equipment in this game should not be handed out like candy. If you don't want to put in the work then you shouldn't get the end result. Everyone on this server started off exactly like you. They just didn't complain about it constantly and actually put in the work.

And when people get bored of a server due to how easy it becomes they lose motivation to play.

But they already do? Bossing becomes just as if not more profitable than other methods. APQ/Raw Grinding already sells well. Lyka already drops Chaos scrolls.

Besides, why should content come out that caters specifically to reward raw DPS for being a raw DPS class over more supportive/melee DPS? Unless you actually suggest just handing them out for getting through the dojo which is ridiculous.

and if Chaos/White scrolls came from Mu Long Dojo to fix the problem you have presented it would cause the problems other people in the previous thread have mentioned.

You want people to enjoy this sever in short term scenarios. You pay absolutely zero attention to the long term.

I'll try not to but that's kind of how MapleStory is.

Spoiler: tfw people put me in the same demographic as plenty

One set of ideas presented in these threads go with how the server was intended to be in the first place.

 

Dude, if you don't like the way the game is played then don't play. Why would you join a server full of tryhards and expect the tryhard community to make the game easier for you, a minority? You can't just walk into places and expect everything to be catered towards your own personal experience.

 

Farming = grinding, again, not fun. Bossing requires groups without the aforementioned godly gear by WSing, merching is essentially a dead end due to people already hyper inflating. The items are "supposed" to be expensive. They're expensive because people who already have a shit ton of mesos (IE, selling leech, having already godly gear and being able to boss...) inflate the prices of said items so casual players like myself cant afford them. Do you understand yet? Or are you still on the confused train? Let me make it clear; the system right now (as in, the way white scrolls and chaos scrolls are given out) makes it extremely difficult for new players, or hell, even players who can only play a couple of hours a day (I have kids...) to obtain end game gear. You're basically telling me to find 6 other RELIABLE people to do HT runs with every day. I can't even do an LMPQ run without dcing halfway through 30% of the time.

 

I wouldn't say that. I know people that have only played for a few months and have already collected enough to fund themselves a perfect weapon alongside some respectable equips. It's all about managing your time properly. White Scrolls were never suppose to be cheap. Having just (what I assume is) a few weeks of playing this server does not give you enough information or experience to debate whether our 'system' works.

The economy is not a sentient being. It doesn't active work to disadvantage the poor and benefit the wealthy.

 

You are contributing absolutely nothing to this conversation. He has every right to post his feedback on the server. By telling him "don't play", you are being counter-productive and discouraging people from posting their personal opinions. If you don't like it and don't want to contribute anything productive to the conversation, than what's the point of posting?

As for this issue, I don't see any point in having chaos scrolls be a rare item. White scrolls are a completely different story however.