Regarding rules of dropping meso and the mouse wheel @gm or player

Hello,

I have the Logitech g502 mouse which is able to spin the scroll wheel extremely fast. I have mousewheel down bound to click rather than scroll down. It clicks rather fast when I keep flickering the mousewheel down. I wanted to know if this is against the game rules to use? It's programmed into my mouse as an option so I don't assume it's against the rules and I could not find anything regarding the topic on your forums that was clear. It's not macroing, just binding click to the scroll wheel (my scroll wheel spins faster than normal scrolls), so the use of mousekeys.

Thanks

 

sadly can't use it..

Stan: "The general rule is that all actions should map 1:1. i.e. if you press one button on your keyboard, it translates to 1 action in game. Therefore binding two keys into one macro button is not allowed."
source: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/simultaneous-teleport-and-mage-ultimate.108717/
(first page way bottom of the thread)

 

Yes. but I am not binding two keys into one macro button. I am flicking a mouse wheel down and everytime it rotates a half cm or so, it clicks. I am putting in the effort of scrolling that fast, it just doesn't have a stopper like a regular mouse wheel. So it's not a macro or 2:1 really. 1:1 mouse wheel scroll, but I am generating the power to provide multiple mouse wheel scrolls in one motion.

 

i can also program the mouse to do an action like mouse 6 and let his do a x99 clicks..

not really sure if that's grey area or what but he said action 1:1
this mean while you roll the mouse wheel its can only roll, once its trigger another action (click) its 1:2 and that's where macro become an issue..

i may be wrong here but this what i was told.

Edit: wait for GM/Admin to clarify this for you..

 

I'm not entirely sure of what you're trying to say regarding binding the click to the scroll wheel. But it's the same idea as a mouse key or using a key on your keyboard that clicks, which is allowed. So I don't see how binding it to a mouse-wheel is much different than clicking the keyboard as you're binding the action to another hardware movement or click if you will. In the mouse wheel scenario, the click is considered that .5cm of movement downwards in-which when your screen scrolls down a little bit. I am simply replacing the scrolling down, with a click.

Now with the removal of a mouse scroll stopper, I am modifying my hardware to work differently than common devices. With that being said, I had bought this mouse like any other person would, off an official company who sells devices. It's the same thing essentially as having extra keys on your keyboard (logitech g710+), a modification of hardware which makes using it easier. So in my case the modification makes it much easier to scroll than it usually is with other mice. But as far as I'm concerned, I don't believe such hardware modifications are banned from this server.

 

What I understand is that any means of facilitation in the game, is considered a robot game, this includes macros. Even if you do x99 click per second, this can be baneable. But i don't know if you can press CTRL + V and click but a auto click bottom (Like a hold a macro bottom from you mouse *check photo*) Its abble to do with out risk of ban.
But if you get 2 keys in one bottom (macro), that's consider as well robot gameplay.

 

i understand the way it work!, just saying that one swoop of the mouse wheel considered as one action, but once you modify it to do multiple actions per one swoop, its may consider as 1 : 2 and as he said "not allowed"

 

it is a baneable offence, i just gave an exemple for 1 : 2 scenario

 

I do think that is still considered auto clicking. Holding down a button and getting xfinite amounts of clicks is definitely not a 1:1 because you haven't even completed the key press. So it's sorta like 1:x

 

I thought I would quickly jump in to give my 2 cents as I am familiar with the g502, shadowers and mouse keys. I think the core issue (and any gms feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) was that they didn't want robot play with people setting up in-game auto farming heartstopers exp ect.

Whenever you stop scrolling you stop dropping and depending on how far you scroll depends on how much you drop. So if scrolling the mouse 1/3 of the way drops 5 bags you are actively controlling the amount speed and doing something. I personally wouldn't consider that robot play but I'll keep an eye on this thread.

 

I see, well thanks for that : D

 

I'm trying to explain that I am generating enough force and momentum to perform more than one key press without the need of repeating my action. So I am essentially scrolling 100000 times in effort, but without the need to re perform my action. It's like if I were to hit two mouse keys (bound to click) at the same time. I am generating the force to click twice, but I have no need to move my hand up and down a second time for the second click. It's done all in the initial action.

 

im done! o -o`

 

haha, all good bud. Just fighting for it's rights. It's deff a debate

 

Rules stat that you can't bid two keys to one. In your case, you're not. Don't see what is everyone going crazy about it.

 

I can see a lot of confusion in this thread so I will try to clear some of this up. The majority of players are not familiar with mouse keys or the g502 and for most classes in the game there is no reason for them to learn it. Shadowers meso explosion DPS is only based on 3 factors:

1) The amount of mesos in each bag dropped

2) The attack speed of meso explosion

3) The rate at which the player drops mesos

For this reason, stuff like this is very important to maximizing a shadowers dps so a lot of us have become very familiar with some of the terms here.

Mouse keys is a windows accessibility setting that allows for the control of a mouse through a keyboard. For some people who have naturally shaky hands Parkinson’s ect. This is an extremely useful feature and is comparable to sticky keys (if you have ever accidentally pressed shift 5 times). This is not considered a macro and is useful in-game since you can leave the mouse in the same position and continually press the button on your keyboard instead. Clicking to drop mesos over long grind sessions will literally hurt your fingers…. Trust me on this one it's not fun.

Rebinding buttons. This is also not a macro and to a large degree can be done in game. As mentioned above in mouse keys you can use the mouse using your keyboard and by default the number pad 5 button is single click and the + button on the number pad is double-click. By re binding these keys to a different location you can make this more comfortable to click. Again, rebinding buttons is not a macro. To help click the mouse key buttons faster a lot of shadowers like to rebind their keys to the mouse wheel where they can scroll to click the button faster.

Now here is where the actual issue is: The g502 is a Logitech mouse often used for office use when scrolling through long documents. The mouse wheel has two different modes 1 which scrolls normally with some slight clicky feeling the other mode is where it becomes separated from the “clicky feeling” and is essentially attached to ball bearings. This allows it to be a lot more smooth and easy to scroll with than traditional mouse wheels. Hopefully, this helps people who are not familiar with shadower fast dropping techniques.


In my personal opinion, since mouse keys and rebinding are not considered macros, I see no reason why a combination of the two would be.

 

In my personal opinion, since mouse keys and rebinding are not considered macros, I see no reason why a combination of the two would be.[/QUOTE]

Yea, it seems logical that it's not bannable. Thing is, it looks alot like using a auto-clicker when I roll the mousewheel as fast as I can. I simply am trying to avoid getting banned by a gm for autoclicking when I am infact not. I just would like a GM to clarify that it's not bannable so that I can start bossing with the method. Otherwise, to be efficient at dps as a shadower, it's really unrealistic as you put too much strain on your fingers for a boss run.. Even big foot dropping is a stretch. I find it sort of unfair if this is infact not allowed, since even with this method I probably can't out dps a top class like Nightlord, let alone using mousekeys.

I hope a gm responds.

 

Maybe if boomerang step functionality was fixed or assassinate damage % ratios readjusted, our class wouldn't be so dependent on being a ME mule :')

 

let me use boomerang step while jumping or near ledges and id be the worlds most happy shadower ahah. I still love this class a lot though.

 

Think this is fair enough personally,